jug hole?

[defunct]

I have wondered if there is a spear at the end of that line.

Collapsible ribcage.

[tomhauburn]

The story I heard was some well known caver's were doing this dive in their early years and got stuck in wetsuits so they came back to see if doing it without would get them further in the system. It did by a tiny bit and they were so excited they did not know they had cut them selves all up on the rock before figuring its just too small. Maybe TJ will give it a try.

[Ken Hill]

Maybe TJ will give it a try.

Not even TJ, the guy in "Beetlejuice" just might be able get his head thru the fissure. /K

[Cave Ranger]

Back when I was ignorant and an Intro Cave hard charging nitwit I negotiated both the bedding plain and diamond sands in a set of double LP 85's to the end of the line, which I thought had a line arrow on it that said 550'. Now I'm a rather lanky guy but I had several "Oh S###" moments and would strongly caution anyone from trying this in anything other than side mounts. My 3 buddies were in single tanks with H-valves and what Kelly says is absolutely true. On top of that when you are going through the bedding plains things get a bit stirred up and if you had to give the "out of air sign" or needed assistance there is a good chance no one would see you. You could also jostle the H-valve enough to blow out the O-ring and while no expert I'm pretty sure that would be bad.
Nah. If you want to go to the end go side mount or don't go. Other than that it is a beautiful Cavern dive and well worth the walk. Take a camera.

[sdenney]

This can easily be done with a single Y-valve 95. If you're that unaware of your surroundings and your equipment, you shouldn't be in the system at all. The bedding plane is PURE ROCK and won't silt out, you CAN signal your buddies, but they also need to have awareness of their surroundings and where you are.

This is an easy Intro-to-Cave dive. Don't for a minute tell me this cave should only be done sidemount. The only place I've ever rolled a valve off is in Rocky Horror (Madison Blue), and even then I had the forethought to continually check my valves. Don't overcomplicate this dive.

[Daedalus]

I don't think intro divers are supposed to be navigating restrictions. I have only done a couple cavern dives at Jug, but looking at the bedding plane I think sidemount would be the best way to make further progress.

[Ken Hill]

The bedding plane is PURE ROCK and won't silt out, you CAN signal your buddies, but they also need to have awareness of their surroundings and where you are.

This is an easy Intro-to-Cave dive. Don't for a minute tell me this cave should only be done sidemount.

I've got to stop you here, if the mound in the Grey room gets hit you will have ZERO viz in the bedding plane. Also NO intro course allows the restrictions at the bedding plane or Diamond Sands. /K

[inkdiver]

Quick question for clarification. The State Park website says the site is open to divers and divers must be Cave certified. When I called, and asked about Cavern certified divers, the person I spoke to didn't seem to understand. When I tried to clarify and mentioned Open Water vs Cavern vs Cave, they asked if Open Water was people who snorkeled..........

So, if I drive the 3 hours there, will my Cavern cert allow me to Cavern dive?

Based on the responses that it is a great cavern dive, I'm guessing yes, but the fuzzy response from the person on the phone makes me want to be 100% sure.

Thanks!

[Cave Ranger]

This can easily be done with a single Y-valve 95. If you're that unaware of your surroundings and your equipment, you shouldn't be in the system at all. The bedding plane is PURE ROCK and won't silt out, you CAN signal your buddies, but they also need to have awareness of their surroundings and where you are.

This is an easy Intro-to-Cave dive. Don't for a minute tell me this cave should only be done sidemount. The only place I've ever rolled a valve off is in Rocky Horror (Madison Blue), and even then I had the forethought to continually check my valves. Don't overcomplicate this dive.

Just my opinion. Sorry if you disagree.
However, FYI. I was behind 2 other divers wiggling there way through that restriction I'm saying that on that particular day I temporarily lost sight of them on several occasions not from silt but from sand and gravel which does clear up pretty quickly. I was only trying to give new divers some food for thought for some things they may not have considered prior to diving here.
When I posted my tale several years ago I got pilloried by a few angry cave divers for even doing this dive in doubles. I now agree with their view (and my Cave instructors) that diving this in doubles is not good for the cave and I agree that sidemount is "probably" a "safer" way than single tanks with H-valves. I have no experience diving with a Y-valve so I'll have to defer to your expertise.
No more flame wars for me though. My Zen Guru won't allow it.

P.S. To Ken and Bob: I said I was an ignorant, hard charging, nitwit, Intro Diver. I'm older and wiser now and they've now taken those words off of my C-card

[Kelly Jessop]

This can easily be done with a single Y-valve 95. If you're that unaware of your surroundings and your equipment, you shouldn't be in the system at all. The bedding plane is PURE ROCK and won't silt out, you CAN signal your buddies, but they also need to have awareness of their surroundings and where you are.

This is an easy Intro-to-Cave dive. Don't for a minute tell me this cave should only be done sidemount. The only place I've ever rolled a valve off is in Rocky Horror (Madison Blue), and even then I had the forethought to continually check my valves. Don't overcomplicate this dive.

I have to disagree here. The bedding plane does stir up some sand and clay,and since flow is way down,it doesn't clear out well. A person on a single tank can't follow the line,so they have to go way off to the side,where there is no line for reference,or to feel if there is a lights out emergency. Can somebody get stuck in the bedding plane and roll off both valves-YES- I had to feed my long hose along the floor to an OOA diver who couldn't move,nor could I get to them. Then I had to tell this very upset OOA diver that we have to continue ahead because there is no turning around. Jug hole suddenly becomes popular when other places blow out,but just because it is a 600' long cave,it deserves respect as being an advanced level cave dives with some restricitions. If you are cavern/intro certified,then enjoy a great cavern dive. If you are full cave and new to sidemounting,then I'd recommend having somebody that has been there before go with you.