...At 200+ feet!!Originally Posted by MORGAN
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...At 200+ feet!!
Andrew Ainslie
Almost extinct cave diver
I have a vague idea. Cindy might be able to tell you more.
You write up a proposal to the state parks system. You usually have to have some scientific reason to dive in state parks. I once was told "don't offer to make a map, we already have one". As far as I can tell, the successful ones have one or more science PhDs, and some scientific goal.
So a PhD in music won't do any good?
Whoever said money can't buy love never bought a puppy.
For wakulla i wrote up one along with some biology ph.d.'s and our proposal was funded through the florida springs initiative. The work we proposed was actually accomplished by wkpp divers. Must say we did not propose another permit as what we were doing really was in line with water quality work that was already being done under the wkpp permit.
My issue with the wkpp is that if you want to join you must be trained by their "for profit" training org...that is not right. There is no way someone trained via another agency can participate.
"With regard to cave diving, the great thing is to be carried where you could not have imagined you would ever be, and then to come back alive."
"Wilderness. The word itself is music." Abbey, Desert Solitaire
Is that right? I seem to remember being out there with Bill Oigarden who was not GUE trained. Neither was David Doolette. What GUE course did Sheck take? Are you saying that GI3 took Fundies?
It's their organization, they make the rules. I can't dive certain sites unless I pay money and join certain organizations. Private organizations make their own rules about being a member. Some cost more than others. Seems pretty simple to me. What's not right about it?
Why isn't there a team of divers trying to find the connection from Lake Jackson in Tallahassee to Leon Sinks. The WKPP is focused on the path south. How about the path North? That would be great science, and would probably get a lot of support from the state. A golden opportunity for someone who wants their own project to do.
Perrone, it basically boils down to GI's view of the majority of the cave divers.
That little commit about how good they are and the rest are stro*** pretty much has set the tone for the way the organization is viewed. In recent dives things are shifting back to what they intended originally and they are doing great stuff. They still carry the "air" around them from years gone by.
If cave diving were Star Wars, who would be Yoda?
Read this thread, especially post 11
http://www.cavediver.net/forum/showt...3354#post33354
Whats not right, in my opinion, is that there is a for profit company controlling access to a public natural resource.
Last edited by wingman; 12-14-2007 at 08:59 AM. Reason: correct url to thread rather than first post
"With regard to cave diving, the great thing is to be carried where you could not have imagined you would ever be, and then to come back alive."
"Wilderness. The word itself is music." Abbey, Desert Solitaire
I know what is required do dive with the WKPP. I asked after doing surface support a few times.
I guess what it boils down to for some is:
1. A private entity who has a legal permit to dive a site others want access to.
2. A private entity who requires at-cost training to join their organization
It has been established that there are other sites in Wakulla to dive. It has been established that the WKPP is not a closed organization and anyone who is willing to do what other members have done (save for the few long time members) can indeed join the team. It is also further noted that other groups can be permitted to dive in the Wakulla system if they are willing to follow the established procedures. It has been done in the past.
So what are we talking about?
If all organizations were judged by statements of members who haven't been involved in YEARS, then I guess a lot of ill will could be had. Even amongst other cave organizations.
I came to caving after the GI3 era, and to be honest, I'm quite happy to work with any organization as I am learning a lot from them all.
Post on here when you finally move up from sherpa to someone that gets to dive into the cave unguided.
I would be interested in the timeframe it takes to go from the "bottom" (after taking fundies, cave 1, cave 2) to being able to dive the sytem that you are assisting very few to explore.
Seriously. I am wondering what the average timeframe for this is...
Either way, no one can discount the fact that the dives being done are major accomplishments from an exploration point of view.
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