Inflammatory posts

[Ken Hill]

I locked 2 threads based on this, and removed another.

PERSONALLY, I am a little disturbed that the thread regarding Emerald was closed. Despite the references to whining there were several people that had an honest interest in making the place more accessible.

The key in my mind is people with an interest that need to be cultivated to volunteer and learn from the mistakes and the success of others. To turn off that dialogue is a mistake. Kelley was right when he asked for people to PM him. Before they do that they have to feel that their voices will be heard.

My money rests with the next generation of cave divers and so what if they are aggressive ... that's good. Us old guys could and should keep a "choker collar" on them until they're ready to meet and greet the state reps and park managers. It's a mistake to stifle enthusiasm. We're supposed to be here to mentor not only diving but the public perception, governance and discipline of our sport. My .02

/Ken

[Kelly Jessop]

they are aggressive

Perhaps cautiously assertive

[Angie Reim]

I locked 2 threads based on this, and removed another.

PERSONALLY, I am a little disturbed that the thread regarding Emerald was closed. Despite the references to whining there were several people that had an honest interest in making the place more accessible.

The key in my mind is people with an interest that need to be cultivated to volunteer and learn from the mistakes and the success of others. To turn off that dialogue is a mistake. Kelley was right when he asked for people to PM him. Before they do that they have to feel that their voices will be heard.

My money rests with the next generation of cave divers and so what if they are aggressive ... that's good. Us old guys could and should keep a "choker collar" on them until they're ready to meet and greet the state reps and park managers. It's a mistake to stifle enthusiasm. We're supposed to be here to mentor not only diving but the public perception, governance and discipline of our sport. My .02

/Ken

I believe the thread was not locked due to the subject matter but locked because it was heading toward a flame war or generalized state park bashing. Assertive is good. Choker collars are for the aggressive. The thread was no longer producing much else. Note that it was locked - not deleted.

My whiners comment was just me being silly. Sorry if I offended.

PM Forrest for further info. That's all I know.

[Ken Hill]

I believe the thread was not locked due to the subject matter but locked because it was heading toward a flame war or generalized state park bashing. Assertive is good. Choker collars are for the aggressive. The thread was no longer producing much else. Note that it was locked - not deleted.

My whiners comment was just me being silly. Sorry if I offended.

Curious about how a a thread gets locked. Does it take one moderator, a majority, or do you have to have a quorum. I guess I am being "assertive" here (your term) because the term "choker collar" came to mind when I saw the thread closed.

Some of posters made valid points and in the long run for any of us to succeed their volunteer help or organizational support is needed and should not be discouraged. My .02 /Ken

Curious about how a thread gets locked.

We each have "The Button."

Actually, Ken, we have a private forum that only moderators can access. Whenever a problem seems to be arising, believe me, it gets discussed. Thread locking is usually the result of three or four moderators agreeing that it needs to be locked. But any moderator can act unilaterally.

It only takes one incident of unilateral action to humble a guy, though. Trust me.

[Mike]

Seems to me this is becoming the whiners forum.
Let's change the subject & talk about road kill. :P

Mike M

[Mike]

Dang Sludge,

I don't have that button.
But than again I'm not a moderator on these forums.
I'm a sub moderator I guess.
But I know the subject you talk about, you did your best with the circumstances.

Mike M

[aainslie]

You mentioned hyperoxic trimix. This was a typo, right?

Then again, I'm not surprised at anything anybody does any more.

There are a couple of agencies that offer courses where you use a "thin" trimix - NAUI offers one where you use up to (if I recall) 20% He at up to 150 ft depth - something like a 26/17 mix might be in there. It's really just a warm-up to full trimix at the end of a deco/extended range class to whet the student's appetite. The "hyperoxic" I suppose comes from having more than 21% O2.

[FW]

PERSONALLY, I am a little disturbed that the thread regarding Emerald was closed. Despite the references to whining there were several people that had an honest interest in making the place more accessible.
/Ken

We let that thread stay open for that very reason. It wasn't untill it became a "anti state park" thread, and was getting personal, that it was locked.

There are still a couple of other threads along the same lines that are still open, like "strategies for opening dive sites", and a legitimate question about which trimix cards are accepted at Emerald.

[Ken Hill]

I locked 2 threads based on this, and removed another.

We let that thread stay open for that very reason. It wasn't untill it became a "anti state park" thread, and was getting personal, that it was locked.

Forrest, Slüdge and Angie,

My concern is any unilateral decision to stop a thread. In previous posts (and in the midst of their complaints) Gary and OneBright Gator made some valid points about their concerns about diving access to previously closed sites. I share their concern that there is no universal criteria regarding access to the state parks. To quote Angie, assertive is good. There are ways to be assertive without alienating the park system or whining.

Perhaps the best way is membership in any or all of the different parks CSO programs. Peacock is a cave divers CSO, therefore it has a cave divers say as to what goes on there. What do you think would happen if 500 cave divers joined the Wakulla CSO ... would their be a balance of power shift? Would that CSO have cave diving items on their meeting agenda? Could there be more cave diving with more appropriate access rules allowed? There is a whole new generation of cave divers that need to become involved. Harm is caused when their voices are not heard! Gains are made when their ideas are channeled into thinking within a direction that works within the bureaucracy? My message is closed but the topic needs to continue.


/Ken