Quote Originally Posted by cmalinowski View Post
Yes. And, while filming was mentioned here and there, it appears (speculation, but more reasonable I guess) that one of them violated thirds. Blaming that on filming is a reach. Had they gotten back to their stages, they would have had ample gas since they dilly dallied on the swim in. What took them 29 mins on the way in, should take 1/2 that on the way out. They got lost. They had a gas failure. They made poor decisions all around. But the fact that the camera is somehow "singled out" to some extent, to me, is a stretch and very, very speculative.


We don't know what caused them to make the poor decisions they appear to have made, so it's obviously not plane and simple that the camera and filming was actually a contributing factor. It's just what someone speculated. The only plane and simple part is that they didn't get to their stages, and most likely didn't plan correctly, or execute the plan they had correctly.


We all have inherent biases. Nothing to do with plot twists or watching too much TV. It has to do with people stating stuff like it's factual or relevant, and others perpetuating that because they want it to be true, even though there is nothing factual (nobody knows that the camera was a contributing factor) about it. And nobody can be sure it was even relevant. That's all I'm saying. Downplaying our biases that can cause us to be wrong is dangerous and inhibits us from getting good, factual reports. Otherwise, they are just stories that people believe, not a statement of facts.

I do think that healthy discussions on possible causes, and what could be done if that a particular scenario was the root cause, are helpful. But treating them like they are anything more than "what if" scenarios is not good in my opinion. Facts are facts. Everything else is not.

I will say the people who did put that report together did a phenomenal job, and I thank them for their hard work. And even they tend to indicate where stuff is speculative, but there could also be other stuff that either they missed, or their speculation could be completely wrong. But since it was wrapped in a thorough, very well-put-together report, people treat speculation more as fact. And I'm guessing that is also not what those who wrote the report want.

Stay safe.

Chris
Absolutely right and even the violation of thirds is a speculation as well is the filming aspect as root casue (of course filming has been involved no doubt)
And having seen footage, depth profiles, time indicies, profiles, having received survey data on depth profiles and structures after the incident etc etc.
There is several areas where the assumptions on which the report was based on was wrong, but it is really extremely hard to tell.
And yes respect to the reporting team. They might have it right, but it also could be several other explanations possible given the data. Especially there is question marks to the actual route that had been reconstructed.
Point is we will never know what really went down!