Want rapid accident analysis and want the IUCRR to determine a mechanism

[PfcAJ]

"Suitable" can be defined after law enforcement determines there is no crime and their investigation is finished.

I agree mourning has no relation to factual analysis, but if the cave diving community wants to have a period of respect and mourning,then senseless conjecture threads where the only information known is name and location, could be held.

If LE wants to keep others from the info, they can do their own recovery.

Oh wait, they can’t. Only we can. “We have this info we gathered from the recovery and will share it will LE” is the move. We are not agents for them.

FIOA requests for the cave diving community to get the info that the cave diving community PROVIDED LE is bananas.

[Norwegian Cave Diver]

It certainly is unfortunate that Flordia divers are not given accurate and timely information on all cave diving related deaths. I cave dive out of Tulum Mexico and have read and reviewed the information for the two German divers that passed away in Calamba. The 5 page report was detailed and yet non-judgemental. The way it should be in my opinion. Allowed me to scrutinize the document and think about what mistake(s) did they make and if possible why did they make them? It reinforces the thought process of not allowing complacency to happen. It should be a must read for any cave diver. No real need to know their full names - perhaps correct first names to keep the context of the report accurate.
Flordia cave divers deserve the same information for them to learn from. Hope you can change how the leadership of the recovery people and more importantly the recovery organization thinks.

[Kelly Jessop]

If LE wants to keep others from the info, they can do their own recovery.

Oh wait, they can’t. Only we can. “We have this info we gathered from the recovery and will share it will LE” is the move. We are not agents for them.

FIOA requests for the cave diving community to get the info that the cave diving community PROVIDED LE is bananas.

Actually law enforcement could do their own recoveries. There are members that are cave divers, and they have dive teams that could get cave trained, hence we are a convenience, not a necessity. That being said a protracted recovery while a team is assembled means that system is closed.

[PfcAJ]

Actually law enforcement could do their own recoveries. There are members that are cave divers, and they have dive teams that could get cave trained, hence we are a convenience, not a necessity. That being said a protracted recovery while a team is assembled means that system is closed.

There’s no way on earth any police chief is going to have a cave diving recovery team. Ain’t happenin. Never has. Never will.

[rddvet]

Actually law enforcement could do their own recoveries. There are members that are cave divers, and they have dive teams that could get cave trained, hence we are a convenience, not a necessity. That being said a protracted recovery while a team is assembled means that system is closed.

As someone who works directly with multiple police agencies, the chances of a pd or sheriff?s office having a cave diving recovery team is near zero. Just like multiple governmental agencies will not allow their scientific divers to cave dive. They typically require a private contractor


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[Kelly Jessop]

As someone who works directly with multiple police agencies, the chances of a pd or sheriff?s office having a cave diving recovery team is near zero. Just like multiple governmental agencies will not allow their scientific divers to cave dive. They typically require a private contractor


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Did you ever know Henry Nicholson? He is famed for the Nicholson tunnel in Peacock, 500 cave diving award called the Nicholson award etc He was instrumental for setting up the paradigm we have,but yes there was a plan to develop a team of law enforcement. Scientific technical diving is allowed,and the standards are described in the DEP diving manual.

[PfcAJ]

So it didn’t happen.

Okay.

[Diverlee]

Did you ever know Henry Nicholson? He is famed for the Nicholson tunnel in Peacock, 500 cave diving award called the Nicholson award etc He was instrumental for setting up the paradigm we have,but yes there was a plan to develop a team of law enforcement. Scientific technical diving is allowed,and the standards are described in the DEP diving manual.

Interesting. I never knew this. Thanks Kelly


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[rddvet]

Did you ever know Henry Nicholson? He is famed for the Nicholson tunnel in Peacock, 500 cave diving award called the Nicholson award etc He was instrumental for setting up the paradigm we have,but yes there was a plan to develop a team of law enforcement. Scientific technical diving is allowed,and the standards are described in the DEP diving manual.

Didnt know Nicholson personally. In the current world of law enforcement a cave diving recovery team is never going to happen.

As for DEP, there are agencies allowing their employees to cave dive for work still. But it is becoming more and more rare due to liability and insurance. I know you have experience working with agencies as a cave diver. I have first hand knowledge from the governmental side of things and it is quite clear less and less governmental agencies want to allow their employees in caves so they use contractors.


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[jason]

Didnt know Nicholson personally. In the current world of law enforcement a cave diving recovery team is never going to happen.

As for DEP, there are agencies allowing their employees to cave dive for work still. But it is becoming more and more rare due to liability and insurance. I know you have experience working with agencies as a cave diver. I have first hand knowledge from the governmental side of things and it is quite clear less and less governmental agencies want to allow their employees in caves so they use contractors.


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I've got quite a bit of experience working in the scientific diving world. While the AAUS manual includes technical and scientific diving, there are not a lot of programs that allow cave or technical diving at their institution specifically because of perceived risks and liability concerns.