What happens with project data?

[Daedalus]

Its true. I have a CD somewhere at the house that someone sent me with a ton a WKPP data, as well as some amusing George letters- amazing they saved that too.

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[floridabob]

This is often the most well executed pre dive procedure.
Kinda comical at times.


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Pictures or it didn't happen.

[bent]

So KUR and WKPP were asked by some State agency to explore or do they just want the date since you got it anyways? I guess that's one of the advantages of having larger more organized projects... that you can get access more easily and the it's more likely that date gets published.

[jason]

So KUR and WKPP were asked by some State agency to explore or do they just want the date since you got it anyways? I guess that's one of the advantages of having larger more organized projects... that you can get access more easily and the it's more likely that date gets published.

Projects in state parks and water management properties require permits for access. Reporting and data delivery are requirements of those permits.

[floridabob]

Projects in state parks and water management properties require permits for access. Reporting and data delivery are requirements of those permits.

And it most certainly isn't defined as easy. Soo many hoops and much reporting. And there needs to be a purpose to every dive. Luckily, the state considers photo and video documentation as important.

[cmck1]

WKPP has an official Team Cartographer – Dr. John Rose. All source data is maintained and backed up with multiple copies. Data provided to State (DEP/FPS, DOT, FGS, Water Management Districts, FWS) and Federal (USFS, USFWS, DOI, USGS) agencies as requested or per the terms of any special use permits usually in the form of ArcGIS shape file packets or finished, copyrighted maps. Source data including notes, comments, statistics, images/video are generally not released to the public and for internal use only with summary data published as needed for articles or reports. Some data is specifically restricted from publication at the request of the landowner or agency. WKPP does release some statistical data to the NSS/NSS library during the annual reporting process and to Bob Gulden.

Florida Park Service Special Use Research Permits:
https://www.floridastateparks.org/ex...rch-collecting

Federal – refer to agency

Casey McKinlay
Project Director
Woodville Karst Plain Project

[TaraR]

So KUR and WKPP were asked by some State agency to explore or do they just want the date since you got it anyways? I guess that's one of the advantages of having larger more organized projects... that you can get access more easily and the it's more likely that date gets published.

Generally no to being asked. No agency that I know of ever asks anyone to go get data. It?s more of a ?we are only going to give you access if you bring us back data? situation.

They have all been burned multiple times by giving individuals permits where they then treat it like their own private dive site for a year or two, turning in not one iota of data nor even a post-dive report to the permitting agency. As an individual applying it is a much harder hill to climb to get a permit now since others have not met the minimums, whereas the established groups like KUR or WKPP make it a point to turn in data and post-dive reports, and build the relationships necessary to maintain them.

[Kelly Jessop]

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They have all been burned multiple times by giving individuals permits where they then treat it like their own private dive site for a year or two, turning in not one iota of data nor even a post-dive report to the permitting agency. .

When new rules came out it was because permits were being abused by people and sites treated as personal dive sites for friends. The new rules did assure better definition of the processes and reporting of data. I gave up all my permits,but even up to the day I stopped I was frequently asked to be able to dive a site, even though they weren't on the roster or had a real reason. Important cave divers maintain high level of integrity with the permits and follow the real intent, otherwise we will find another set of rules/limitations. There have been some questioning of dives that only have a goal of checking lines, taking a picture , shooting video etc.

[floridabob]

There is a variety of reasons to conduct in water activities in regards to maintaining a permit. Science being one. Laying line and cartography two more. Checking lines being a key component to the start of diving activities. Photos and videos are products that stakeholders find appealing to the masses and complimentary to science, exploration and cartography. It is advantageous to permit holders to have a diversity of ways to further the State's agenda which will vary from site to site.

I hope all groups maintain their access to these sites through a cooperative and symbiotic relationship with the permitting authorities. There is no upside in anyone losing access.

[bent]

When new rules came out it was because permits were being abused by people and sites treated as personal dive sites for friends. The new rules did assure better definition of the processes and reporting of data. I gave up all my permits,but even up to the day I stopped I was frequently asked to be able to dive a site, even though they weren't on the roster or had a real reason. Important cave divers maintain high level of integrity with the permits and follow the real intent, otherwise we will find another set of rules/limitations. There have been some questioning of dives that only have a goal of checking lines, taking a picture , shooting video etc.

It really sucks when you have to have a 'real reason' to dive though.

It's kind of understandable when people fake project work in order do dive some place they otherwise wouldn't be allowed to.
(Totally not thinking of the GUE 'project' in Mallorca a couple of years ago, which than was milked for facebook marketing material. cough cough)