Details from Ginnie recovery 1/22/21 x

[rddvet]

Moderator comment: No rule has been violated and the discussion is civil. Your comment is push for a later report, which historically that will be quite awhile,because I think we are pending something from the last two accidents. I understand the stress of doing a recovery, because I have done a couple,but if this is too much which I can appreciate, you may want to be a distant observer.

I sent Forrest a message letting him know thAt you guys are free to remove this theead or not as you deem appropriate. I?m sure he will share the details of my message to him with all of the mods (or at least he?s welcome to)


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[debersole]

rddvet -- Thank you for the original post. You simply stated facts as they were given to you by someone involved in the recovery. I found it quite informative and it helped answer some of the questions that were going through my mind since this horrible accident, especially since he was a friend and I had just spoken with him last Sunday in the water at Ginnie. This is not the time for people not involved in the recovery to speculate on what may or may not have happened. This is the time to grieve for the deceased, his family, and his friends. Hopefully, the investigation will be able to answer a lot of the issues around this tragedy so that the cave diving community can learn from it.

Thank you to all of the members of the recovery team. It was a difficult and dangerous recovery that all of you were willing to make for our fellow diver and his family. God bless you all.

Doug

[Kirill]

I have to agree with Frank - i am not sure it is a good time to start an on line discussion... even all of us, who spent last two days on the site and were working on recovery, do not have a clear idea and all the details... and without having all and every minute detail discussion turns into speculation and gossip. It was a fairly tough job for us, and i am sure that family is going through a rather hard time right now. I think we that cave diving community can wait a bit to get more info.

[jcr]

There will likely be a report from this one so that proper accident analysis can occur. That said the day after the recovery is not the time.

We hear this statement every time there's an accident and sadly the reports never come. Proper accident analysis requires a certain amount of transparency to understand what happened. The recovery team typically has the most accurate information but is frequently asked to remain silent. In this case, there's a very specific lesson to be learned that could save lives and there's no reason to delay the release of this information. Moreover, the family deserves to know the details, if they don't already, since it may help ease their suffering.

[farmerted]

I would have to agree with Kirill and Frank. Now is not the time. While Charlie has a good point due to the fact that there definitely are things to be learned from this incident, right now is not the best time to start. There is still an active police investigation going on and there are family members from out of town that may not yet have all the facts. Those family members may also be cave divers and reading this forum. Furthermore the facts are not all accurate. While mostly they are, the monitor was not dead. The battery had drained between the time the forensics team found the victim and the first extraction team arrived in the passage. I am merely clarifying this to point out that if in fact family is reading, what has been stated as facts are not all correct and it would suck to give misinformation to loved ones.
I?m sure a report will be released. If it is not in a timely manner I will post what I know. It will not be before law enforcement has closed their case.
In the meantime, just remember this. It?s just a hole in the ground.

[jcr]

I would have to agree with Kirill and Frank. Now is not the time.

We'll have to agree to disagree. If the family is reading this forum, they are looking for information, which I truly hope has not been withheld or delayed. Of all people, they deserve to know the facts surrounding this incident as soon as they are known. There is no active police investigation in the traditional sense. They aren't questioning witnesses or tracking down leads. They will defer to the medical examiner's report and close the case in due time.

As you mention, the facts released so far are incomplete. What's needed is a public release compiling the relevant facts and observations from the first few teams similar to what was released after the dual fatality at Eagles Nest. Details regarding the recovery itself are not relevant.

[cavedivingwoman]

Thank you to the recovery team. My heartfelt condolences to the family and friends.
Barbara

[OFG-1]

In the meantime, just remember this. It's just a hole in the ground.

Thanks Ted. A lot of people forget this.

My condolences to all, my gratitude to the recovery team. Stay safe.

[mgif99]

Thank you for posting some information. I think every accident is a learning opportunity for all of us. If I am ever unfortunate enough to have an accident while cave diving, I hope all information is posted quickly, and I hope someone can learn something from it.

[oceancurrent]

Moderator comment: No rule has been violated and the discussion is civil. Your comment is push for a later report, which historically that will be quite awhile,because I think we are pending something from the last two accidents. I understand the stress of doing a recovery, because I have done a couple,but if this is too much which I can appreciate, you may want to be a distant observer.

Right on, Kelly! rddvet's information is very much appreciated. I see no disrespect in the thread towards the deceased, his family, recovery team, equipment manufacturer, etc.