FLORIDA Stay At Home Order

[gschaut]

17 minutes ago, Gov. Desantes issued a state wide "Stay At Home" order for Florida.

Say "goodbye" to the Ginnie girls until next summer.

[tursiops]

Thanks for the info. It's about time.

[Puttzer]

Thanks for the info. It's about time.

With all the hysteria:
Anyone know the corona deaths vs flu deaths this year and 2017
Anyone know ave age of corona deaths and the predisposing health problems
Anyone know symptoms of infected under age 50
My dad stormed Omaha beach and we are hero’s for unemploying millions of people and wearing our masks.
God bless the media, re-election year politics and Mellenials

[bent]

Anyone know the corona deaths vs flu deaths this year and 2017
Anyone know ave age of corona deaths and the predisposing health problems
Anyone know symptoms of infected under age 50

Do you know any of these numbers?

People got scared when they saw what happened in Italy including me (I don't know whether you get much news from outside the US). I think that's understandable. People have been turned down for treatment at hospitals because the health system is/was overwhelmed. Do you think this is all made up? We (Germany) just starting to open shops and other stuff back up again... now that the health care system had some time to stock up on PPE, ICU beds and ramp up testing... that's what the shutdown was for. Buying time to be able to take care of the people who will get sick...
What other choices are there? Would you really want your country be the guinea pig so you can find out how bad this is? Really?
... and not even Trump is willing to make that bet and he is nuts (not being political, I'm sure even most of his fans think he's nuts but they like it).

Who says people are heros for 'unemploying millions of people'? Always accusing the opposite site of being malicous is counterproductive, man. That's not helping anyone.

[OFG-1]

Order goes into effect 1201 am Friday.

[lord1234]

@Puttzer:

Since you like facts, below is an answer to your first question. Your second question disgusts me as it assumes that some "Deserve to die". Reading your prior posts, it seems that you had some medical issues in 2016, you probably have some pre-existing conditions that you might worry about, eh? Your third, since I know people my age(and younger) who have been infected, and I'm 36, I'll tell you that those I know who have recovered have had symptoms ranging from cough, chest soreness, tightness of breath, pneumonia, etc, and some I don't know but read an article about had actual strokes that they are blaming on COVID19. Note, I am not a doctor, but I'm also including a great article below from a doctor who is well known in scuba circles, and who also contracted COVID19, Dr. Douglas Ebersole.


2016-2017 flu season: there were 29 million flu cases in the United States; and estimated 497,000 flu-related hospitalizations and 38,000 flu-related deaths. Ref[1]
2017-2018 flu season: there were 48.8 million people getting sick with influenza, 22.7 million people going to a health care provider, 959,000 hospitalizations, and 79,400 deaths from influenza. Ref[2]
2018-2019 flu season: 37.4 million and 42.9 million people contracted the flu during the 2018-2019 season. Those cases led to between 531,000 and 647,000 hospitalization and 36,400-61,200 deaths Ref[3]

[1]: https://cnsnews.com/article/internat...flu-associated
[2]: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...18/archive.htm
[3]: https://www.passporthealthusa.com/20...19-flu-season/

Corona Deaths since 3/1/2020 (in the US):
Cases: ~1Million
Deaths:~56000.

Reference: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Dr. Ebersole's article: https://www.divetech.com/post/diving...ra-of-covid-19

Please get this through your head: There have been more deaths in the US in the last 2 months, then there were in 2016, nearly the same number as 2018, and less than 2017. However, the numbers in items 1/2/3 above were for a FULL YEAR. This has all happened in 2 months, so multiply my numbers of corona deaths by 6 to get a rough extrapolated figure. Here, I'll do it for you:

Cases: ~6 million
Deaths: ~336000

Do the math, this disease is much much much stronger than the flu if not controlled.

[rddvet]

@Puttzer:

Since you like facts, below is an answer to your first question. Your second question disgusts me as it assumes that some "Deserve to die". Reading your prior posts, it seems that you had some medical issues in 2016, you probably have some pre-existing conditions that you might worry about, eh? Your third, since I know people my age(and younger) who have been infected, and I'm 36, I'll tell you that those I know who have recovered have had symptoms ranging from cough, chest soreness, tightness of breath, pneumonia, etc, and some I don't know but read an article about had actual strokes that they are blaming on COVID19. Note, I am not a doctor, but I'm also including a great article below from a doctor who is well known in scuba circles, and who also contracted COVID19, Dr. Douglas Ebersole.


2016-2017 flu season: there were 29 million flu cases in the United States; and estimated 497,000 flu-related hospitalizations and 38,000 flu-related deaths. Ref[1]
2017-2018 flu season: there were 48.8 million people getting sick with influenza, 22.7 million people going to a health care provider, 959,000 hospitalizations, and 79,400 deaths from influenza. Ref[2]
2018-2019 flu season: 37.4 million and 42.9 million people contracted the flu during the 2018-2019 season. Those cases led to between 531,000 and 647,000 hospitalization and 36,400-61,200 deaths Ref[3]

[1]: https://cnsnews.com/article/internat...flu-associated
[2]: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...18/archive.htm
[3]: https://www.passporthealthusa.com/20...19-flu-season/

Corona Deaths since 3/1/2020 (in the US):
Cases: ~1Million
Deaths:~56000.

Reference: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Dr. Ebersole's article: https://www.divetech.com/post/diving...ra-of-covid-19

Please get this through your head: There have been more deaths in the US in the last 2 months, then there were in 2016, nearly the same number as 2018, and less than 2017. However, the numbers in items 1/2/3 above were for a FULL YEAR. This has all happened in 2 months, so multiply my numbers of corona deaths by 6 to get a rough extrapolated figure. Here, I'll do it for you:

Cases: ~6 million
Deaths: ~336000

Do the math, this disease is much much much stronger than the flu if not controlled.

I’m not arguing that corona has become more serious than the flu. I’m only commenting that you can’t just take a number and multiply it by 6 to get the yearly toll. Statistical analysis doesn’t work that way. It is multifactorial and is not a straight line. There is a curvature to the number of cases that can’t be predicted. People on the internet, in the news, and on tv that just take 2 months of numbers and multiply to make it the equivalent of a year are not doing anyone a service. It’s completely inaccurate and in my opinion is fear mongering. Even renowned epidemiologists around the world are using our known predictive statistical monitoring algorithms and still don’t know if they have an accurate answer or not.

[lord1234]

I’m not arguing that corona has become more serious than the flu. I’m only commenting that you can’t just take a number and multiply it by 6 to get the yearly toll. Statistical analysis doesn’t work that way. It is multifactorial and is not a straight line. There is a curvature to the number of cases that can’t be predicted. People on the internet, in the news, and on tv that just take 2 months of numbers and multiply to make it the equivalent of a year are not doing anyone a service. It’s completely inaccurate and in my opinion is fear mongering. Even renowned epidemiologists around the world are using our known predictive statistical monitoring algorithms and still don’t know if they have an accurate answer or not.

This is completely correct. I actually assume the number would be higher, since the curve wouldn't be a straight line, but more likely exponential.

[rddvet]

Yeah it doesnt work that way either. I?m not an epidemiologist so I dont know what the answer will be. But I have advanced training in epidemiology and public health and I can confidently tell you both of those extrapolations dont fit with statistical prediction methos for something like this. I really wish people would stop being arm chair statisticians. The people who?s statistical epidemiology training makes mine look like kindergarten honestly don?t even have a clue where the final numbers will lie.


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[MORGAN]

The people who?s statistical epidemiology training makes mine look like kindergarten honestly don?t even have a clue where the final numbers will lie.

Yup. As my stats professor said, many years ago, "Statistics rarely prove or predict with high degrees of accuracy; they just give us some idea as to the degree of uncertainty."

Mike