Luraville II Spring - Any Info?

[Line Squirrel]

lets go diving and then shoot up the woods over a post dive beer or two

LOL, I'll drink with ya and shoot with ya but not both at the same time!!

[DeWayne]

The point is that if land is not fenced or posted then the "crime" of trespass does not occur until you remain or return after given warning by an Autorized party. If the land is posted or fenced then entering is prima faca evendence and an officer may arrest. This is why you see signs offen authorizing the so ans so police to remove persons from said property. That way they don't need to call someone to tell you to leave. Hence giving you warning. REF: FS 810.02 (1) (2B)

Many states have adopted laws that do not require fencing nor signs to be posted; if you do not own the land and do not have specified permission from the owner to be on it you are guilty of trespass. If the land is fenced and/or has signs posted or the landowner has specifically forbidden you permission to enter, then you can be charged with trespass after warning. In AL, to hunt on someone else's property (actually, this applies to any time you carry a weapon onto someone's property) you must have written permission on your person or you can be charged with felony trespass. Like Mike said, if you do not own the land find out who does and ask for permission before entering, that will go a long way in keeping relations open to allow others on the property.

[JDostal]

LOL, I'll drink with ya and shoot with ya but not both at the same time!!

Sounds good I'm used to the Wisconsin attitude. Targets are what the beer was in before you started shooting.

[curtschu]

Dwayne this is the same in Florida as far as Armed Trespass. I just stuck to the issue at hand since I think they would be hard pressed to call a z-knife a weapon but heck you never know in North Florida Counties.
The bottom line is if you are climbing fences or opening gates you know you don't belong. Now if you are ridge walking (with permission) and happen to wander into someone's land it stands to reason that you had no intension to break the law and you should be permitted to leave without arrest.

[JE]

Ok fellows & goils, here is the scoop on Luraville's systems:

Cathy Leash of The Dive Outpost in Luraville is the current property owner of the Luraville cave systems. She is a kind, helpful small business owner who is more than happy to help divers reach their potential goals. All you have to do is to drop in on her when she opens her store, & say hi, 'May we dive your caves'-? At that point she will ask for your training levels & cards, & then may require you to take a guide with you. {Cindy Butler is one such guide} After that, if you are a competent cave diver, you will most likely to be allowed to dive the systems on your own, preferably with a competent buddy-! Luraville is laden with deep silt & mud passageways, & is easy to stir up in a heart beat. {You know, like you can't see your main HID if you hold it in front of your eyes-!} If you are at the level of diving comfortably Solo in an advanced cave system, then you probably will enjoy the experience immensly. Otherwise, take your best buddy with you for safety reasons & back-up contigencys. Be aware, that this is the place where I first encountered 'Bucky'-! Keep your distance from him if you see him, as he could very easily bite you in the ass, & then you would have a problem to work out- -! If you are lucky, you'll also see the large fresh-water eels that are abundent thru-out the system, as well as Catfish, & other critters.
By the way, Cathy enjoys having cave divers over during the holidays to share stories with while roasting marshmellows over huge bonfires, during the winter months. So be nice to her & don't spoil it for the rest of us. All you have to do is ask-!

Jack- 8)

[JDostal]

I'll be taking that route in the future - like I said, I wasn't aware it was not open to just walking in and diving it...it wasn't explained to me like that at all. I am a landowner up here in Wisconsin so believe me, the last thing I would be doing is something I myself can't stand.

Looking forward to more dives in that cave. In sidemount it was a blast - lots of fun passage to go through.

[JE]

I'll be taking that route in the future - like I said, I wasn't aware it was not open to just walking in and diving it...it wasn't explained to me like that at all. I am a landowner up here in Wisconsin so believe me, the last thing I would be doing is something I myself can't stand.

Looking forward to more dives in that cave. In sidemount it was a blast - lots of fun passage to go through.

I'm sure Wisconsin 'Badgers' would be welcome down here as well-! Being from out-of-state, doesn't help one's orientation with the environments down here, as you probably wouldn't know where to draw the lines anyhow. It is just best to always ask first anyways. BTW, I've done a lot of diving thru-out Wisconsin myself, & always enjoyed the variety of dive sites up there. The 'Apostle Islands' & Isle Royale Nat'l Park are my favorites.
Have fun down here, & I wish you good diving

Jack E.

[MikeH]

I'll bring along a few of my pistols - lets go diving and then shoot up the woods over a post dive beer or two

Don't forget the cigars... Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.

Mike

[Line Squirrel]

Ok fellows & goils, here is the scoop on Luraville's systems:

Cathy Leash of The Dive Outpost in Luraville is the current property owner of the Luraville cave systems. She is a kind, helpful small business owner who is more than happy to help divers reach their potential goals. All you have to do is to drop in on her when she opens her store, & say hi, 'May we dive your caves'-? At that point she will ask for your training levels & cards, & then may require you to take a guide with you. {Cindy Butler is one such guide} After that, if you are a competent cave diver, you will most likely to be allowed to dive the systems on your own, preferably with a competent buddy-! Luraville is laden with deep silt & mud passageways, & is easy to stir up in a heart beat. {You know, like you can't see your main HID if you hold it in front of your eyes-!} If you are at the level of diving comfortably Solo in an advanced cave system, then you probably will enjoy the experience immensly. Otherwise, take your best buddy with you for safety reasons & back-up contigencys. Be aware, that this is the place where I first encountered 'Bucky'-! Keep your distance from him if you see him, as he could very easily bite you in the ass, & then you would have a problem to work out- -! If you are lucky, you'll also see the large fresh-water eels that are abundent thru-out the system, as well as Catfish, & other critters.
By the way, Cathy enjoys having cave divers over during the holidays to share stories with while roasting marshmellows over huge bonfires, during the winter months. So be nice to her & don't spoil it for the rest of us. All you have to do is ask-!

Jack- 8)

You left out supporting her dive shop, purchasing gas from her once in a while will go a long way in getting access

[DeWayne]

Dwayne this is the same in Florida as far as Armed Trespass. I just stuck to the issue at hand since I think they would be hard pressed to call a z-knife a weapon but heck you never know in North Florida Counties.
The bottom line is if you are climbing fences or opening gates you know you don't belong. Now if you are ridge walking (with permission) and happen to wander into someone's land it stands to reason that you had no intension to break the law and you should be permitted to leave without arrest.

I think a lot will depend on who catches you Curt and what they observe you doing. If the law sees you just walking the ridge chances are good you will get off with a warning; if the landowner catches you, he has the right to demand that the law be enforced. It is amazing what can be construed as a weapon (I used to patrol a hunting lease for a friend adjacent to a military installation, boy did I have fun when those Army officers decided to take it to court-they lost every time.) If you cannot look at a topo map, determine who owns the property you wish to explore, and stick to your plans then chances are you should not be out there ridge walking to begin with. Respect for the land extends to he who owns it.