considering turning a new leaf

[rddvet]

i saw a team of divers in sherwood split and they had zero jump reels in.

Cave ninjas. Didn't want you to detect their presence

[jj1987]

I often wonder if the people I see doing dangerous stuff just don't have something in their life that's valuable enough to them to take the extra care, or if they're just egomaniacs that only think of themselves. Or are just lazy bastards. I suspect it's a combo of the last 2

There have been studies done that show no matter what the punishment, people will still commit the crime because they feel they won't get caught. For instance, who here looks up the price of doing 5-7mph over the speed limit when you drive in various states? I suspect none, I certainly don't. I drive 5-7mph assuming I won't get caught, so the price of the ticket really doesn't come into mind.

I suspect breaking cave diving rules follows the same path.

[FW]

I don't have any faimly to worry about, but I don't want to add to the already bad image cave diving has to the public/press.

[kidsdream]

Thanks for posting this thread. I certainly don't have the expertience of many on this forum, but a couple of ultimately "minor" issues over last coulple of years have refocused my safety outlook.

While I admit to not running a primary into P1, I am trying to do a better job overall. Example: During my recent dive at Lafayette I choose to tie my primary to a rock at the edge of Kitty and then run my line all the way to the mainline, not just tying into a downline that runs into the cave. After the dive I discussed with buddy (might have been better before) my logic. I wanted to be super clear how I came into the cave. And the orange line on my reel was very bright and obvious. Worst case there are multiple exit options at Lafayette, but as the system vis was unknown and a buddy doing his first dive there, I made a choice that exceeded typical standards.

One of these days I will write up an issue of loosing my buddy during a dive at Ginnie about year ago. While we both made it out with no real issue, we actually became separated on a dive while sccotering back from the Hinkel. Let's I say it wasn't a text book dive.

[jdobbertien]

I was reading an old poll that essentially says 2/3rd of cave divers fail to run a continuous line to the surface(either by not putting in a primary or doing visual jumps or a combination of both). So apparently im not the only one.

[scububa]

Interesting youtube. I took my DPV class with Edd, so have been around him and the shop some. I think his point is to not 'predict or identify' others and their reasoning (however faulty), but to look at ourselves for where we can make our own actions better. I think everyone gets complacent about some aspects, so how do we check ourselves and perhaps even set a model for someone else (while using that person as a model for some other element of behavior).

This particular talk was about some very dive basic specifics. There could be a talk on a before the water behavior alone. Equipment checks and maintenance, jumping into a robust dive with new, untested equipment, or, dpv training noted in the talk, but a lot of other training for new approaches. And before you get to the site, do you have your loads secure (I have seen a lot that don't), do you text while driving to the Mill Pond, are you staying in shape, have you PRACTICED any of the domino stopping emergency procedures in the the last xyz?

Good talk by Edd, thanks for bringing it to the surface.

[DarkCoffee]

Forrest,
I don't pipe up here too often but I suspect you have way more 'family' than you know (whether you have met them or not)!

[FW]

Forrest,
I don't pipe up here too often but I suspect you have way more 'family' than you know (whether you have met them or not)!

Thanks All the more reason not to put another black mark on cave diving.

[bigdave]

I think those are the same people who rationalize this can't happen to me, and will perform complacent things. Also, these are the same people when an accident occurs with a fatality,they are the same ones (sometimes) demanding immediate details, because if that person didn't die from complacency , then they can rationalize what they are doing is safe.

Exactly, complacency is a killer. People forget that you can get killed by somebody else. What if you're in a cave and visibility goes to hell because some other team goobered and trashed the cave?

Sometimes you get killed by what you do, but sometimes you get killed by what you don't do. Maybe I should trademark that.

[T. Bix]

Forrest,
I don't pipe up here too often but I suspect you have way more 'family' than you know (whether you have met them or not)!

Dilly Dilly!