Accident Analysis

[divindoc]

Yes, but did anyone get a STD?

Psst - the correct terminology is now STI (sexually transmitted infection). Don't ask me why, but those who know (or think they know) like to change labels just when they become common vernacular. Just sayin...

[OFG-1]

Psst - the correct terminology is now STI (sexually transmitted infection). Don't ask me why, but those who know (or think they know) like to change labels just when they become common vernacular. Just sayin...

Makes sense, I went for a couple of years thinking UTD was Urinary Tract Disorder.

[Six Feet Under]

I think that is pretty typical, I have had the same experience. I was told it was to not prejudiced the investigation, although you are never told when the investigation is over. I have been told the medical findings are protected by Hipaa and other privacy laws unless the family releases them.

And if everyone starts off by being a jackass on the internet, to the deceased and the family, they have no reason to share anything, particularly if a legal procedure is pending.

And Bob, your list pretty well sums it up.

As in health records or autopsy results? The latter are public record unless under active criminal investigation.

[MichaelAngelo]

As in health records or autopsy results? The latter are public record unless under active criminal investigation.

If it's public knowledge why then does anyone need to release it.

[Six Feet Under]

If it's public knowledge why then does anyone need to release it.

IMO, it would be nice to have all of the information related to the accident compiled into one PDF or something similar. The medical examiner's report/autopsy results and law enforcement death investigation report are both public record once closed, but the information most divers would find beneficial (the recovery team's notes/statements) will likely not be quoted word-for-word in either of the aforementioned public records. The simple truth is that no one individual is going to submit a FOIA request for ALL public records pertaining to each cave diving death. I'd like to see an entity do this in an attempt to better educate divers on real world examples of what goes wrong and how those circumstances led to someone's demise. Hypothetical "what if's" are great, but they don't come with the same level of seriousness as a real dive accident that ended in someone's death.

I see no benefit to everything being so hush-hush, except for some perceived fear of liability that doesn't really exist...

[MichaelAngelo]

IMO, it would be nice to have all of the information related to the accident compiled into one PDF or something similar. The medical examiner's report/autopsy results and law enforcement death investigation report are both public record once closed, but the information most divers would find beneficial (the recovery team's notes/statements) will likely not be quoted word-for-word in either of the aforementioned public records. The simple truth is that no one individual is going to submit a FOIA request for ALL public records pertaining to each cave diving death. I'd like to see an entity do this in an attempt to better educate divers on real world examples of what goes wrong and how those circumstances led to someone's demise. Hypothetical "what if's" are great, but they don't come with the same level of seriousness as a real dive accident that ended in someone's death.

I see no benefit to everything being so hush-hush, except for some perceived fear of liability that doesn't really exist...

I'd like to see that too, I'd like to see local hospitals open up there chambers to divers instead of flying them out of county, I'd like like to see all divers embrace conservation and work together to protect the systems, I'd like to see the backstabbing and petty one-up-manship between cave divers and agents go away, but I don't see it happening. All I can do is realize that no one is going to make me safe but me, I do what I can to make the system better then before and to rise above the bull. I am not saying your wrong, I am saying that until someone makes doing the research and putting ir all together their little baby project and since I don't see anyone volunteering, it ain't happening.

[Kelly Jessop]

. I'd like to see an entity do this in an attempt to better educate divers on real world examples of what goes wrong and how those circumstances led to someone's demise.

If people are not satisfied with IUCRR or other cave diving entities, why not form an entity that will do that? Creation of other cave diving entities were formed due to a reason, be it not satisfied with status quo, profit, or spite. The people who feel the need for information in a format that is wanted, as rapidly as wanted, why not do it? Like the other volunteer agencies it will take time consumption of a person or group of people to put this together, and publish it,but be forewarned, you will have social media critics that won't be satisfied- hint- recruit them or have them form their own entity...

[Jim Wyatt]

If people are not satisfied with IUCRR or other cave diving entities, why not form an entity that will do that? Creation of other cave diving entities were formed due to a reason, be it not satisfied with status quo, profit, or spite. The people who feel the need for information in a format that is wanted, as rapidly as wanted, why not do it? Like the other volunteer agencies it will take time consumption of a person or group of people to put this together, and publish it,but be forewarned, you will have social media critics that won't be satisfied- hint- recruit them or have them form their own entity...

Great idea Kelly. I look forward to the new organization.

[T. Bix]

I'd like to see that too, ....... I'd like like to see all divers embrace conservation and work together to protect the systems, I'd like to see the backstabbing and petty one-up-manship between cave divers and agents go away, but I don't see it happening. .........

DILLY DILLY!
Well said MA.