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    Default 7 Most Dangerous Underwater Caves

    Did you know that Devils is on the list, I had no idea we were exploring such a dangerous cave.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2SAudt3bZo

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    Uhh


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    I'm confused. They talk about Devil's Ear, Devil's Eye and Little Devil.

    But the video appears to be Devils Den in Williston???

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    Quote Originally Posted by gschaut View Post
    I'm confused. They talk about Devil's Ear, Devil's Eye and Little Devil.

    But the video appears to be Devils Den in Williston???
    I'd say they're pretty clued out, to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gschaut View Post
    I'm confused. They talk about Devil's Ear, Devil's Eye and Little Devil.

    But the video appears to be Devils Den in Williston???
    It is, as we now know. FTR, there are some parts of DD that have Grim Reaper signs and in which one might get into a little trouble if they venture beyond the grating (which is possible with certain water/tide levels). But... still...

    Anyway, I find more often that the MSM works that way, these days. They know the value of "imagery." They also know that the "sheeples" (their primary target audience) will not care how "accurate" a story or the imagery is... They pray on the "sheeples' emotions." So, rather than show the "correct" imagery or convey the "correct" story, they portray what comes as close as they feel necessary to the "truth" (i.e. what the "sheeples" will believe to be true) but invokes the maximum emotional response.

    A couple of classic MSM examples (apologies for the OT, but...)...

    1) The "Poster Child" for Capital Punishment - In almost every story the MSM does about Capital Punishment or a scheduled execution, the MSM will, more often than not, show this picture:



    This is the execution chamber at the Walls Unit, Huntsville, Texas. Even if the story isn't about a Texas execution, they (MSM) will, more than likely, lead with this picture. Why? Because Texas does the most executions, this is the image the "sheeples" seem to associate most with Capital punishment and the death penalty in general. The MSM wants to enforce that association as something that would encourage an anti-death penalty mindset.

    2) Casey Anthony - Very sadly, there are a number of stories about parents who falsely report their children "missing" but it turns out they actually murdered their children. Maybe the story will get some local media coverage... perhaps even some National MSM coverage. But they are quickly forgotten. I bet not everyone remembers the name Susan Smith of South Carolina... one of the first cases to have national MSM attention in recent decades.

    So, what made Casey Anthony.... CASEY ANTHONY?

    It was this photo:



    The MSM knew that plastering the airwaves with this photo of Caylee would invoke the highest level of emotion from the "sheeples." Maybe it was also Casey's looks herself (and her reported behavior) that contributed, but that was after the "crisis" point of Caylee being missing. The thing that got the sheeples fired up was this picture of Caylee.

    Point being (in the context of this thread), Devil's Den is probably a more alluring image than the Eye or Ear (or little Devils). I think it would get the attention of the sheeples. I'm thinking that they (MSM) want them to pay attention to what they're hearing about how "dangerous" these alluring cave systems are, but I think this will backfire on the MSM. Like others, I agree it will probably cause more untrained divers to try it. I sure hope the MSM aren't trying to encourage more people to do something so "dangerous" that they get to report more death stories...

    That said, the narrative in re: the "Devil's" system seemed fairly accurate if you were talking about Ginnie only. Maybe the MSM just F'ed up and used the wrong imagery (quite possible), or maybe they deliberately used the DD imagery as "mis-direction" to steer people away from the real Devil's system (and, thereby, discouraging divers from going beyond their training, etc.)... But if I were the DD owners, I'd sue these guys for associating their site with bad things...

    BTW, my take on the "ratings" in this video I think were more along the lines of *not* so much the "number of deaths" but the "number of deaths that got the attention of the MSM and were the most covered/reported by them." A death at EN makes news. So does a death at Ginnie, combined with the systems being called "Devils... etc. etc."

    Again, what invokes the highest level of emotion with the "sheeples."


    PS. I've dived the "Blue Hole... " in Belize. If you go with an organized tour boat (e.g. "Sun Dancer," etc.), they won't allow you to get into trouble. They only let you go so far down, and for so long (about 10 min. at 110 fsw max). They don't let you dive Nitrox (EAN 32). They make you dive Air. And then they enforce a "mandatory" deco schedule (without it looking like it - 10min at 70 fsw, 20 at 40 fsw, 30 at 20 fsw or something along those lines).


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    Wow. What an awesome video. I'm surprised I'm still alive. That dude has taught me so much. Bwahahahaha.


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    When the video starts with "putting on your flippers", I am done.

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    Jeeze, where to start? Eagles Nest 315 meters?! If you rate the safety of caves by the number of deaths, the Ballroom at Ginnie is #1 (before it was grated), and #2 is Royal Spring. There is no cave that has had 150 deaths. Pictures of Mexican caves when he is talking about US caves, "Trim-ix"

    If anything, he is tempting untrained divers to try cave diving.

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    Ummmm... ok. So much misinformation it’s aggravating. Apparently EN is over 1k’ deep. Ginnie also connects to Devils Den. I guess Blue Grotto is aka Eagles Nest Sinkhole.

    Derek

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    Trim-ex. Excellent!

    Ken Sallot


 

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