Ginnie

[kensuf]

Yep, sometimes that "clearly solid rock" turns out to actually be clay.

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If you can't tell the difference between a bleached rock that has been manhandled by others and a clay bank then don't touch anything.

[jj1987]

It's always amusing to me when old timers attempt to pass the logic that cave conservation was taught more back in the day. I took an intro to cave class from a prior NACD president (who was absolutely an old timer) less than 10 years ago who taught the "Little River Leap", where you kick off the cave walls the way a frog would.

[kensuf]

It's always amusing to me when old timers attempt to pass the logic that cave conservation was taught more back in the day. I took an intro to cave class from a prior NACD president (who was absolutely an old timer) less than 10 years ago who taught the "Little River Leap", where you kick off the cave walls the way a frog would.

That same guy taught me that same trick in 1994.

[Kelly Jessop]

It's always amusing to me when old timers attempt to pass the logic that cave conservation was taught more back in the day. I took an intro to cave class from a prior NACD president (who was absolutely an old timer) less than 10 years ago who taught the "Little River Leap", where you kick off the cave walls the way a frog would.

There are several phases. Actual old timers were for whom cave conservation was nonexistent. This can be surmised by reading some of the old literature with things like the LR leap, finger walking etc. Somewhere with the formation of development of agencies such as the NACD and NSS_CDS, this mission became a little more defined and entered the training standards and material. But, with the data from a survey that was conducted recently, with adequate population base of respondents to assess statistical significance, there were some patterns that arose that demonstrated less than adequate cave conservation training, especially with some agencies in particular. Hence to address your comment, it was nonexistent, then we had improved training in cave conservation,but data suggests we have digressed.