Public annoucement of line changes

[bent]

Head to such closest exit even when it is an unidentified exit?
There would be examples where the latter also already had killed people..

I would also like to know more about these cases were people got killed by following the arrow pointing to the closest exit? Did you just make that up Frank or do you actually know of some cases.

[Nitrogenius]

How would you know what's been taught in Europe? That one guy who also teaches sidemount with two backplates might teach that. That's only in Sardinia. Were else in Europe have you been trained to do that Frank?

Believe it or not Bent. I actually do know other cave divers that have been trained in Europe outside of Sardinia, that follow the same school. How do I know? Because I asked them. Actually ever since I had been made aware of the "other school" (I.e not contradicting existing arrows years ago at my first trip to cave country) I revisited this topic with all my cave instructors and regularly bring it up when I meet fellow cave divers from all around the world. Due to that my observation is, and hence I keep raising it, that this practise is far more spread than folks here believe.. It is just getting less of an issue as more folks tend to use some form of rems anyways..
As for the guy the "one guy" on Sardinia. He is IT you know... and there are several instructors teaching at his place and I would think that his outfit has quite a huge share in at least the western European new trained cave divers..

I would also like to know more about these cases were people got killed by following the arrow pointing to the closest exit? Did you just make that up Frank or do you actually know of some cases.

It would help to read answers already given.. check my reply to Kelly.. I already wrote several examples.. I am sure there is more..and sure trying the arrows to the closest access will never be a singular issue as something needed to have triggered to try to go for the "unknown" closest exit.

[bent]

The guys in kalimba got killed because they tried to reach the closest exit? Yeah, right. If you're lost and you're running low on gas you better be going to the closest exit. At this point is doesn't matter whether it's known or not.
Kelly and I were asking about a case were someone who got killed because of permanent arrows pointing to the closest exit.

Arrows should only ever be placed permanently as arrow-jumps can be mistaken by other divers as Ts (and that is dangerous). Also, dont do more than one new jump per dive.

The double backplate guy is an IT, so what? ITs are a dime a dozen.

So I ask again: In what cases did people get killed because they followed an arrow pointing to the closest exit? I'm sure you don't know any, but you cant admit it. You just like to ramble and try to be a contrarian. (Beratungsresistent would be a good word in German).

[bent]

Frank, there was a report and an analysis posted on here about that kalimba accident. You should read it.

[Diverlee]

With all the discussion I find it amazing there are not many deaths each month. I go by what I was taught in class using the Nss/Cds book. I have somehow managed to stay alive since 1998. Maybe I need to dive more


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[Draker]

Maybe I need to dive more

We all need to dive more, especially the Germans who seem to enjoy arguing amongst themselves.

I keep hoping someone will create a separate sub forum just for the two of them to banter aimlessly.

We could let Nakatomi moderate.


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[bamafan]

We all need to dive more, especially the Germans who seem to enjoy arguing amongst themselves.

I keep hoping someone will create a separate sub forum just for the two of them to banter aimlessly.

We could let Nakatomi moderate.


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I personally would like to see the premier German cave diver be the moderator. Can someone message Daniel Razorista on Facebook and see if he has some free time? He has blocked me.

[bent]

... , especially the Germans who seem to enjoy arguing amongst themselves.

It's been a while. Plus, I have stayed out of almost all 'what sidemount rig to buy' threads.

[bent]

He has blocked me.

Your're probably unblocked again... and yes, I'm sure he has lots of free time.

[Squirrel Girl]

Hokey Smokes! I'm glad I read this thread. I can't imagine that during an emergency, I'd find a line arrow pointing randomly to some particular person's exit, no matter where in a system it lies. When all is good, it wouldn't be too big of an issue, but somewhat confusing. When there's a big problem--like Bent says, low on gas (or maybe a silt out or whatever), agitation and confusion -- maybe even panic can set in. Good lord, keep those arrows pointing to the nearest exit!

Nitrogenius, maybe I missed it in this thread, but why is a cookie or REM not sufficient for personal markings for a team's route out?