The 5 Rules of Accident Analysis That Will Get You Killed

[patpicos]

Hmmm, reminds me of a video "A Deceptively Easy Way to Die".

I worry about the quality of training of some of the new agencies, especially the ones that only require the instructor to be full cave trained, with no specialized cave instructor training.

New agencies or old ones, iantd had its fair share of issues lately.

Anyhow, it's not the agency a diver should pick, it should be the instructor. However, GUE does sets itself apart (coming from a non GUE diver)

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[Scubaru]

Anyhow, it's not the agency a diver should pick, it should be the instructor.

"The training agency is everything!*%@* blargggg!!! How are you going to be able to dive with another person trained under a different agency?!?!?!!!! Your thumbs up might mean "neat-o" to this nim-rod!!!! It isnt even fathomable for a team to communicate the differences in the predive plan!*^%!!!"

(This was a small part of the backlash I got when I said that I picked my instructor because of how he instructs, and didn't know what agency I was getting a card through until I signed the "please do not due me" forms...)

[TraceMalin]

OMG! Try to inject some giggles into cave diving ... smh.

As a GUE Tech 2 diver, I can honestly say none of my NACD or NSS-CDS instructors were doing it right. But, I forgive them ... even Chris Wright from Alabama.

[bamafan]

It would be interesting to see a side by side comparison of what the different agencies require to be a cave instructor. My impression is that it varies widely.

Mike

What most say they require and what they actually do if you are connected or can bring in enough $$$ are different things. There are cave instructors who had the magic wand waived and are now teaching but have never been through an internship. When it comes to teaching breathers it only gets worse. You have some rb instructors teaching cave ccr and they were never even an ow instructor let alone a taught any oc classes. The only agency I know of that isn't guilty of this is GUE and I am not GUE. I feel sorry for the people who are actually trying to do it correctly. It really isn't fair to them but just more proof of how screwed up the industry is. I am guessing one of these days the wrong person will die and in a lawsuit some of these issues will come to light.

[Sludge]

Your thumbs up might mean "neat-o" to this nim-rod!!!!

Please stop calling me names.

[Scubaru]

...until I signed the "please do not SUE me" forms...)***

And sorry Russell... hahaha.

[bent]

It would be interesting to see a side by side comparison of what the different agencies require to be a cave instructor. My impression is that it varies widely.

Mike

That would be interesting indeed. All this 'go on a weeks vacation and come back as a cave instructor' has got go stop.
It seem to be getting worse though. With some agencies you can go straight to teaching full cave classes with hardly any prior teaching experience. I think that's nuts.

[bigdave]

Probably because cave diving is so easy that even folks from Alabama can do it.

Indeed!

I have a reservation at a Holiday Inn Express coming up pretty soon, so that should qualify me to become a cave instructor as well.

[Jim Wyatt]

It would be interesting to see a side by side comparison of what the different agencies require to be a cave instructor. My impression is that it varies widely.

Mike

Very widely, and wildly. I spoke to one guy who did his cave instructor over a weekend and a $1500 check to one evaluator to the other end of the spectrum 6 months internship and five evaluators, with no $ being exchanged.

[MORGAN]

Who knows if it's true, but I have heard a story of a would-be cave instructor asking an NSS-CDS instructor what he would have to do to get credentialed. After having the process explained, he walked away muttering to himself. A month later he was at Ginnie teaching a cave class, having been certified by another (unspecified) agency.

I remember reading a piece online about selecting a cave instructor. Jim, I think you wrote it. It was a useful thing.

Mike