Wave of hands....Who want's to get their their groin kicked in at the big white gate? Hopefully this will get Herbie in the mood, anyway there is a weekend coming up and I am craving an anti-social part 2, and trying to get "T" to commit, and you all know how hard it is to get comitted dive buddies, so I am shooting for Nov19-21 hoping we can get some group cave diving activities going, and it would be really great if Doc could show up with his atomic cane of justice just in case anyone tires to park illegal, damn I'd love to see that ass kicking again, but it was a once in a lifetime I think, and Herbie can't lose another kidney now that he's down to one. Any interest and we will try to get it confirmed in the millenium at a glance, penciled to this date, but can confirm. Sid