I had heard IANTD was working on a program for in water recompression. I looked at IANTD's classes and found they do have one so I called Tom Mount. I was hoping he would jump in on this and explain more about the course. Just talking to him I think the divers like myself that are on a rebreather in water recompression might be a good alternative until the first responders find a chamber that takes divers.
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. . .It's high time for y'all divers in Florida to seriously consider organizing in getting one of these below, and specifically operated only for the management of dive accident victims 24/7 365:
Hyperbaric Clearinghouse Hyperbaric Chamber used
And this is your model (viable for the last 42 years here in Southern California) how to run and fund it as a non-profit with corporate, state/county, University, diver donation and volunteer sponsorship:
How the Chamber is Funded > USC Catalina Hyperbaric Chamber > USC Dana and David Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences
Good luck and make it happen. . . !
The Catalina chamber is a major accomplishment, but a model that hasn't been reproduced elsewhere. I suspect the major hurdle is getting support and finding from a local county agency. I seriously doubt that will happen. I wish it would as I would donate.Originally Posted by Kevrumbo
I also worry about the liability factor. Look at the frivolous lawsuits recently over divers' deaths aka school sink and Wes skile's wife. What happens if someone dies during or after a chamber ride? Who gets sued by the family?
Easy to say to purchase a Chamber but almost impossible to operate it. You have to have a Dr. on call 24 hrs a day. The cost of that is not approachable. You have to have a trained tech to operate the chamber. It has to be housed. In order to get an insurance company to cover the cost you have to jump through all the loops. I have spent hours on top of hours researching this possibility. In order for this to happen I need a person like Donald Trump to offer this to the cave community along with a paid up medical staff.
How about it Donald? Please help us, we need you.
What about those micro sized single person chambers like Cousteau used to have?
- Jeff
Jeff Rouse
Chicago, IL
BTW, here's a sobering overview from Duke Dive Medicine posted on SB, commenting on the "draconian" standard of care in general for dive accident victims: http://www.scubaboard.com/community/...4#post-7675247
A good analysis above, which explains the problem but doesn't offer any solutions. . .
Even eighty-three-hundred miles away from you, Truk Lagoon has what can be considered a level 5 trauma facility and has a privately run multiplace Recompression Chamber on-call that can also treat emergent DCS cases. They have phone consultation with a Hyperbaric Physician -in Sydney Australia over 3200 miles away- when they run their HBOT Table 6. In addition to the paid Chamber Operator/Facility Director, there are now volunteer/relief chamber stand-by operator crews, trained personnel whose day jobs are at the major Dive Operations (Truk Lagoon Dive Center, Truk Odyssey Liveaboard etc).
If they can train the necessary Basic Life Support personnel to make at least a level 5 trauma facility for acute DCS/AGE care & treatment, and make this system viable in a remote poor central pacific region like Chuuk Micronesia, why can’t y’all do the same in North Florida USA?
Again, it's up to you divers out there to generate grass roots support, along with some state & local corporate sponsorship (Dive Rite, Halcyon, Univ of Florida -etc) to set-up a non-profit emergency HBOT Diver's only facility out there in Cave Country. Or at least have some form of organized rotating 24/7 Recompression Chamber coverage amongst the private operators in the immediate region. Recruit and train volunteer Chamber Crews, rotate them in 24/7 stand-by with tacit cooperation & use of facilities from the local private chamber operators.
Work out the legalities and make this happen. . . !
The biggest problem is, if something happens, there is nobody in there to treat the victim.
I'd rather take my chances spending hours in a tiny chamber without any one to treat me than sitting in an ER waiting room for hours without any one treating me at all. ☺
- Jeff
Jeff Rouse
Chicago, IL
One resource that might be perfect to talk to about setting up our own chamber would be Bob Outlaw up at Blue Stone Quarry in Thomasville, NC. I believe he's been extremely involved with Duke Dive Medicine and DAN in their hyperbarics work. I believe he has 3 chambers (used mostly for training) at his facility. Anybody serious would be well-served giving him a phone call.
I know that this is a crazy idea coming from someone that has been treated for DCS three times, but perhaps you should expend as much thought as to how to avoid needing a chamber in the first place, just sayin'.
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When you're feeling really good
There's always a pigeon
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