Side note... Not that I'm in the realm of training to dive it but it has fascinated me! 400'+ if I recall correctly. I'm guessing someone has the salvage rights due to the permit being required. Any footage of the dive? There are very few videos of dives on it.Originally Posted by Grimm
GUE are really special, thank-you JP and GUE for your science and your contribution to Mallorcan caves:
"Preserving the environment can be done in multiple ways and shooting high quality imagery creates the opportunity to preserve and share a rare and precious environment and is the main objective of our project."
I guess I'll have to ask somebody else if this permit from Direccion... really exist or not.
www.rebreathermallorca.com - Just as equipment is not an acceptable substitute for the appropriate skill and experience, skill and experience are not an acceptable substitute for appropriate equipment. Plan all diving so that it can be completed safely without the action or inaction of a fellow diver.
Pullnglide: The wreck is owned by Simon Mills, but because the wreck is in Greek territorial waters permits are secured through the Greek Ministry of Culture, at least they were in 1999 (department of Underwater Antiquities). I hired a local attorney with a good reputation in the maritime industry and familiar with the local bureaucracy and he secured it quite quickly.
There is footage of the wreck on the GUE website from 99.
If you doubt that these divers have the document in question, which I assure you they do, you can petition GUE's QC Department to verify that they do. This however will not yield the document for your review. It will go to the QC Director, he will see the document, and respond to you that "yes, they have the document." However, you will not get the permit itself or the write up that secured it so that you can annoy the authorities and potentially make access even more difficult. Frankly, there are many reasons why permits are withheld or granted and why some are privileged and some are not. Sometimes it is as simply as personalities.
I thought for sure a group of top GUE instructors were sneak diving this cave and posting pics on Facebook to brag about it.
Darn.
I am not interested in getting the runaround from GUE.
There is an administrative process which Public Authorities have to follow to issue a License.
They can't chose and pick whom they like or not and the process has to be transparent, especially when Public EU funds are involved.
I would be very very happy if the Dirección truly issued this permit insofar it would open the opportunity for more permits to be issued.
However, I have a statement from the Directora General that no such permits would be issued until the protocol and regulations are in place to implement the March 2015 new law, statement which is inconsistent with your statement that a License for GUE has been issued instead by Dirección....
I am trying to establish which of the two statements would be true.
If you can help, all that is needed is the date and protocol number which would be next to the stamp stating "Registro de Sortida" on this supposed License printed and signed on the Dirección... official letterhead.
You should however be aware that this type of diving in ZEC caves which is purely for tourist and entertainment purpose is not legal or welcome in the island, although some are clearly profiting from it and promoting it.
It will lead to problems and tighter controls.
www.rebreathermallorca.com - Just as equipment is not an acceptable substitute for the appropriate skill and experience, skill and experience are not an acceptable substitute for appropriate equipment. Plan all diving so that it can be completed safely without the action or inaction of a fellow diver.
"Has to follow?" Really? You are being naive. Public authorities often make decision in idiosyncratic ways. The last thing I would do is help you piss them off by leveraging a document that you have no right to. As for the type of diving they are doing you really have no first hand knowledge of what they intend to do with the footage they are gathering. And from what I understand there are divers there diving "for fun" and that the local community is very welcoming, so it appears what is lawful or not or wanted is subject to some debate.
With all due respect, but have you considered that perhaps there is another reason why you are having difficulties? Have you come into conflict with someone with local influence?
Yeah, I got no clue why this License was supposedly issued and what these guys are doing in ZEC caves.
Maybe you can explain!
To me they are just "espeleoturistas" taking pictures and paying for some guided tours.
What is the name of the tour guide?
www.rebreathermallorca.com - Just as equipment is not an acceptable substitute for the appropriate skill and experience, skill and experience are not an acceptable substitute for appropriate equipment. Plan all diving so that it can be completed safely without the action or inaction of a fellow diver.
I think you're misunderstanding the problem here. The gov. agency has no right to pick and chose who get a permit. It's not about who is buddies with who. The cave are public, the agencys that are running the show get tax payer money. There has to be a transparent process as to how you can get a permit.
The government is pay the the people and works for the people, not the other way around. You can't decide stuff like this behind closed doors. I don't know how this works in the US but in Europe you can't just have gov. agencys do what they want.
And c'mon, you and I know that there is no scientific work being done. And if this really is a project, why won't you let people in on it or at least be transparent?
From my perspective something is fishy here, it's a project than it's not a project, GUE posts this on their facebook but doesn't have anything to do with it, the gov. agency say that their not giving out permits...
All I asked in the OP is if anyone knows anything about this as it seemed weird to me. And still nobody has told me why this is not OK to ask, all I get is condecending comments form the DIR fanboys.
Damn straight he's right. Here, in Europe, government officials have to abide by the law. They can't just do what they want. If they give out a permit to somebody because they're buddies or because he's getting money, that's corruption. You can't privately lobby for a government permit. What do thing regulations are for?
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