P II

[nakatomi]

You would rather a diver go from OW to FULL CAVE over a couple of weekends and then let them loose on the world? rather than stretch it out 6 months or a year before their next cert?

I firmly believe that if someone comes well prepared to their cave class, he or she can progress in a very safe fashion and without much delay to the full cave level.
Having said that, this requires ample experience in the configuration the class is done with (BM doubles or SM), plus successful training at the tec fundamentals level (or comparable).
And for those who are not ready to complete their full cave training from the get go, there are many options to receive a cert that lets them dive within their range of qualification.
Although again, if it were entirely up to me, full cave would be the minimum to do autonomous cave diving.

Not sure how a dry suit is going to decrease my SAC, would LOVE to hear that explanation.

I firmly believe you will be much more comfortable and likely in much better trim too. Both will help you relax, remove tension and get your breathing to normal levels.
Rest assured that if I dove in a T-shirt and shorts, my thirds would be gone around the 700' mark as well.

[twaldo]

I firmly believe you will be much more comfortable and likely in much better trim too. Both will help you relax, remove tension and get your breathing to normal levels.
Rest assured that if I dove in a T-shirt and shorts, my thirds would be gone around the 700' mark as well.

I guess that is a big difference between the two of us then... cause I can make it to olsen and then some on my return before hitting 3rds wearing shorts and a t-shirt.... and believe me I am toasty with my chosen exposure protection.... I am SO sorry that the rest of you get cold in 72 degree water.... I'm good down to 68 and then below that I need a 3mil... at 45 I need a 5mil. Still not sure how a drysuit would lower my sac.

[Garth]

Have you dove a drysuit?


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[twaldo]

Have you dove a drysuit?


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Did a DUI dog days event in Arkansas... LOVED IT.... they flipped out when I didn't want a hood or gloves for 45degree water... no liner (shorts and tshirt under the drysuit)...
was very toasty.... finally got a front zip... getting neck seal replaced soon.. Like it way more than any of the back zip's I have purchased in the last year... just can not do a back zip.

Tim

[Kelly Jessop]

every person I' have known that took an intro class that included 1/6's dove 3rds ANYWAY...

May give an explanation of why there are more accidents at the intro level versus the other cert levels.

[twaldo]

May give an explanation of why there are more accidents at the intro level versus the other cert levels.

THANK YOU for at least not denying what I know I've seen/experienced.....

[floridabob]

I know the backstories very well. And my comment was not only directed at James. I understand that there are playful jabs that are between friends, but I stand behind my statement. There's been a lot of comments lately in this thread and others that come off very heavily as negative towards divers with lesser abilities or experience. Basically, a little high horsey. I'm sure much of it is jokes, but I'm also sure there's some ego attached to it as well. I'm certain I'm not the only one that sees it, I'm just the only one that will point it out.

And no, I'm not butt hurt. It's just annoying because I don't want to ask a "dumb" question and it be suggested I find new mentors.

No, I dont think youre butt hurt due to this thread. But I would like to thank you for being the self appointed protector of all. Your self sacrifice, courage and humanitarianism should be rewarded in some way.

One thing I simply must say is that I regularly dive with people of lesser abilities and lesser self importance--keeps me humble and my hubris in check. I just spent the weekend alternating between following silt trails and knee prints all the while hoping to survive to post about it here.

Here in this forum of higher learning where a single thread often morphs into 63 different arguments and isnt moderated until I use profanity. Or FW talks about his plane.

Well, I hope this shiite gets some heavy handed a$$ kicking to get us back on topic: Tim's inability to dive to standards while not diving at all but merely posting dumb questions.

Bob

[rddvet]

While I don't agree with all of your points, I will say I agree that the agencies need to really take a look at the cavern/intro/apprentice/full system vs the naui system. I've been very vocal in saying that with the popularity of Naui, GUE, and IANTD recently, the nacd and cds may need to reconfigure in order to not be left behind. I don't think the NAUI system is for everybody, but I do believe for most people it gives you enough room to comfortably breathe and take your time to move up. I have heard of people who break 1/6ths regularyl. Never dove with them or I'd flip out on them. I have been around people though that simply want to get to the next cert to not have to dive 1/6ths anymore, and really aren't taking the time to learn how to read a cave and progressively learn. They just want to move on.

I do agree with Oliver that I think a drysuit will improve you SAC. I could be completely wrong. I was opposed to hoods for years. I finally started using mine and find a huge difference. If I had to guess, I'd say there's a good chance you're going to have a "you don't know what you don't know" kind of turnaround on the idea.

[rddvet]

. But I would like to thank you for being the self appointed protector of all. Your self sacrifice, courage and humanitarianism should be rewarded in some way.

Well, I graciously thank you for coming to that realization. I agree I really should be rewarded.

[floridabob]

Well, I graciously thank you for coming to that realization. I agree I really should be rewarded.

DAMN!!!

I thought you'd fly off the handle all pissed off over some dumb stuff I said.

I am clearly not at the top of my game right now but I will return after a few more boiler makers using Tito's Vodka and some fruity/faggy beer.

YOU JUST WAIT RIGHT HERE!!

Bob