Little River 4/27/15

[MarkR]

Just for contrast, this was Little River in November 2011.

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Almost no flow that day...

I have dove LR a few times when it was that low in the mid 90's. Once I had a freaking pitbull practically in my face when I surfaced just a few ft away from the tree/log. Had to tell the owner to get him away from be or we would both be going for a swim.

The main reason I want to avoid deco... I know as soon as I stop moving for more than 10 minutes I will start to get cold.... thats about how long I can sit in the basin after a dive. Mind you I'll start getting chilly and everyone else will start turning blue... but I don't want to reach the chilly point because once I GET COLD... it takes FOREVER to warm up.

Forrest suggested letting Gamble extend the drysuit I have to its not so uncomfortable around my legs... if the person showing interest doesn't buy it that will probably be the plan, I really want to finish Cave2 this fall and I will need a drysuit to do it.

OK, I have to ask.. Waldo, are you just trying to avoid deco, or DCS? Unless something has changed in the last few years, a lack of thermal protection and subsequent fatique can increase risk for DCS. I prefer to be more 'safety concious' than 'rules concious'.

..Usually the same thing... but not always.

Mark

[twaldo]

OK, I have to ask.. Waldo, are you just trying to avoid deco, or DCS? Unless something has changed in the last few years, a lack of thermal protection and subsequent fatique can increase risk for DCS. I prefer to be more 'safety concious' than 'rules concious'.

..Usually the same thing... but not always.

Mark

Just trying to abide by NAUI CAVE1 standards.... no siphons, 100' bottom, 2 nav decisions, and no deco....

Thermally I am fine, no matter how many people would like to think I'm freezing my butt off.... you guys are just going to have to trust me on this.

Tim

[curtschu]

I think you are over reading the standard. There should be no planned deco. If the profile of the dive chances slightly due to conditions at this level you should be able to handle a few minutes of deco.. I'm sorry if just don't understand I and most of us that were certified prior to all these new fangled agencies did deco on air or O2 long before there was such a thing a advanced Nitrox Deco procedures.

[mag3]

If you hit the "Y" which takes you to the Florida Room you would know.

I assume you mean the "2nd T" that emerges either from the Merry Go Round or Serpentine Tunnels.

We did LR for my "Intro" qualifier dive as well as my "Full Cave" qualifier dive. I made all the way to the Florida Room for that Full cave qualifier dive.

In both cases, my instructor was checking my SA, by veering off course to see if I'd notice. I did, both times. In the case of the full cave qualifier dive, we were heading back from the Florida room on the Merry Go Round tunnel, and he whizzed right by the 1st T and entered the Serpentine tunnel. I had to flash him back to the 1st T. He came back though.

[MarkR]

.. I'm sorry if just don't understand I and most of us that were certified prior to all these new fangled agencies did deco on air or O2 long before there was such a thing a advanced Nitrox Deco procedures.

^^ Thanks for posting what I was thinking!

[Draker]

I think you are over reading the standard. There should be no planned deco.

Agreed. UN-planned deco is definitely a much better option...

There is no fun in safety.

[curtschu]

Agreed. UN-planned deco is definitely a much better option...

There is no fun in safety.

??? I'm not sure what your point is. Unplanned deco would be you plan the dive into LR and there is a delay exiting maybe you need to clear a reel in the mud tunnel or you take a nice slow assent in the chimney that causes you to has 5 or so minutes of deco at 10 ft. Have you violated standards? Are you going to fizzzz like Alka Seltzer? No.

[twaldo]

I think you are over reading the standard. There should be no planned deco. If the profile of the dive chances slightly due to conditions at this level you should be able to handle a few minutes of deco.. I'm sorry if just don't understand I and most of us that were certified prior to all these new fangled agencies did deco on air or O2 long before there was such a thing a advanced Nitrox Deco procedures.

Ok... so if I see that I am about to enter a deco situation, it is best choice to then turn my dive based on impending deco obligation not to continue until I hit 3rds. So now I'm not understanding why that is an issue??

Not sure how that is over reading the standards. On that note, I am excited to actually be doing dives that are deep enough and long enough to even get close to a deco obligation and can't wait until I'm at the level that I can actually plan and execute some deco dives and more shockingly some staged dives.... so much cave, so little breathing gas

Tim

[twaldo]

Agreed. UN-planned deco is definitely a much better option...

There is no fun in safety.

Not sure what it takes to gain membership into UDIE.... but I LOVE their outlook on diving. Though being such a stickler for my organizations standards I will probably never get invited to join either

Tim

[twaldo]

Are you going to fizzzz like Alka Seltzer? No.

I like the visual of Mentos and Diet Coke.... COME ON CURTSCHU get with the times.....