Extending the gold line at JB

[nakatomi]

Why would you need loops for deco tanks? There is plenty of flat space at 20', and even more once you get into the cavern.

The idea behind the loops was having the deco tanks on the line, plus not have them lying all over the place in the deco room where swimmers might grab them.

[Bobby]

We are taught in training to run a primary line from OW. If a cave diver chooses to not run a line they are accepting the elevated risk that goes with it. Personally I don't like all the lines being put so close to cave entrances & close jump lines, I believe it contributes significantly to erosion of line handling skills. Personally I am also a guest and would never rearrange someones furniture when I am visiting their home, in the same respect I would not move a line (unless there were an immediate emergency or safety issue) without the approval from whomever lives there and maintains the lines.

Locals at JB are rather educated about cave divers & there have been no incidents of deco cylinders being messed with to my knowledge. I don't think loops on the line are necessary.

[FW]

The idea behind the loops was having the deco tanks on the line, plus not have them lying all over the place in the deco room where swimmers might grab them.

All you would need to do is clip the deco bottle to your primary line (or permanent line).

[nakatomi]

Personally I am also a guest and would never rearrange someones furniture when I am visiting their home, in the same respect I would not move a line (unless there were an immediate emergency or safety issue) without the approval from whomever lives there and maintains the lines.

I'm not moving any line and have no intentions. I was just asking on this thread how people feel about the gold line being where it is and how they would feel about possible alternatives.

[Kelly Jessop]

All you would need to do is clip the deco bottle to your primary line (or permanent line).

One advantage I have to say about having something like lines that have loops that encourage deco bottle placement, or anything similar, is that it has cave conservation benefits. Frequently AL 40s are used and they have a tendency to float valve down, bottom up, which when caught in the flow move about. This movement can either bang into the cave wall, or the valve/regulator end is digging into the floor. Places where we have consistent deco placement due to something like this has a tendency to contain the cave attrition to one area.

[Bobby]

I'm not moving any line and have no intentions. I was just asking on this thread how people feel about the gold line being where it is and how they would feel about possible alternatives.

Oliver,
My comments were personal thoughts and not directed towards you or anyone else. After rereading my post I can see how it might have come across that way which was not my intent.

[nakatomi]

My comments were personal thoughts and not directed towards you or anyone else. After rereading my post I can see how it might have come across that way which was not my intent.

Thank you, I understand Bobby. Any result of the poll would of course need to be brought forward as a suggestion to the locals who dive and especially teach at JB.
Looking at the opinions so far, that is no likely to happen since people seem to prefer to keep the line where it is now.

[twaldo]

Here is another consideration. I was marveling at a picture of the "E" rock formation in HITW. Very unique formation. The line is wrapped around that formation now (where best recollection a number of years ago is it wasn't). A diver pulling on the line or an entangled scooter could cause damage to that formation. Should this be a line that should be moved?

Never been there, Never seen it (except for the picture) and this gets a resounding DUH!!!!! no line should wrap around a formation, specially one that looks as delicate as it does. The line should also be ran far enough away that divers can't inadvertently touch it by accident or with a scooter.

Just my opinion.

Tim

[mbaker]

Here is another consideration. I was marveling at a picture of the "E" rock formation in HITW. Very unique formation. The line is wrapped around that formation now (where best recollection a number of years ago is it wasn't). A diver pulling on the line or an entangled scooter could cause damage to that formation. Should this be a line that should be moved?

You should bring that to the attention of the line committee at the next board meeting.....

[Sludge]

there have been no incidents of deco cylinders being messed with to my knowledge.

Whenever folks are swimming at JB there are multiple lifeguards around the spring pool. If someone came out of the water with someone's deco cylinder it would be noticed immediately. Not like at Ginnie where there is usually nobody with the authority to stop someone and ask whose deco bottle they're carrying.