Sa Gleda - CLOSED

[gianaameri]

Problem with FBE is they are cavers for whom there is water in the bottom of the caves.
On the other hand, 2 years ago, they (I mean spanish FBE divers) began to put pics on internet, videos on youTube, documentary on TV, ... because they are very proud of their caves. Than came the cave-divers from all around Europe who realize that Mallorca is worth Mexico, but closer and cheaper. Than problems arrive and everything went out of control.
There are only 2 ways to manage caves now: (1) commercially manage access or (2) close everything and only allow scientific dives. There is also a (3) keeping everything secret, but it is too late for Mallorca.
The second option is usually chosen by non-commercial federations. We have the same problems here in Belgium with flooded mines "managed/closed" by the caving federation.
So, the FBE will answer they make only "scientific/research" dives in SaGleda now....

Yes, they will... but you get a chance to put forward your opinion during the Public Consultation process.

The local Council cannot defend in front of the EU (these are EU protected caves of EU interest) a situation where there is disparity of treatment between locals and non-locals.

Make yourself heard during the Public Consultation process if you want to dive these caves.

I do not mind them being closed for bona-fide scientific research, but not if this means being dived by an idiot with no cave training who thinks of himself being superior to everybody else.

The lady in charge at the local council is Magdalena Carbonell Pol <mcarbonell@dgmambie.caib.es> .

Maybe start by dropping her an email asking for a copy of the draft plan for the "PG1: PLAN DE GESTIÓN "COVES" and ask if they will accept your participation as a concerned EU citizen (or cave lover from Florida or whatever...) and if it is O.K. to participate in your own language (i.e. English, French, Belgian...).

Maybe she will start getting the picture that this one time the Public Consultation will be for real and they won't be able to secretly hush through what they like without international challenge/contributions.

You can mention I recommended you write to her!

[FredMgt]

The lady in charge at the local council is Magdalena Carbonell Pol <mcarbonell@dgmambie.caib.es> .
Maybe start by dropping her an email asking for a copy of the draft plan for the "PG1: PLAN DE GESTIÓN "COVES" and ask if they will accept your participation as a concerned EU citizen (or cave lover from Florida or whatever...) and if it is O.K. to participate in your own language (i.e. English, French, Belgian...).
Maybe she will start getting the picture that this one time the Public Consultation will be for real and they won't be able to secretly hush through what they like without international challenge/contributions.

i will do, and i will recommend my flemish friends to do the same.

[gianaameri]

i will do, and i will recommend my flemish friends to do the same.

You are a star and spread the word!

[Nitrogenius]

i will do, and i will recommend my flemish friends to do the same.

same here..

[gianaameri]

Latest message from the FBE President (that is the guy who continues to dive with his buddies Cova de Pas de Vallgornera without cave certification, hence without valid insurance):

El Lunes 15 de septiembre de 2014 16:04, Federació Balear Espeleologia <federaciobalear@gmail.com> escribió:

Se nos ha informado, tras la denuncia presentada al SEPRONA referente a visitas a cuevas LIC por "alguien", que este organismo reforzará la vigilancia a las cuevas LIC para controlar y denunciar a los visitantes sin autorización. Sobre todo en Sa Gleda y Drac de Cala Santany que son las mas visitadas por espeleobuceadores. Recordad que el SEPRONA no pide titulaciones solo pide autorizaciones.

Por ello si tenéis en proyecto la visita de alguna cueva LIC debéis solicitar autorización a la Conselleria de Medi Ambient bien directamente o a través de esta federación que la tramitará con la conselleria, menos para Vallgornera que solo se tramita a través de la FBE, Como ya os informé en un anterior e-mail esta federación ya no tramita con la conselleria las autorizaciones para espeleobuceo en Sa Gleda. cada uno debe tramitarla directamente con la Conselleria aunque ya os informo de que hasta la aprobación del Plan de Gestion no habrá autorizaciones

Podeis ver el listado de cuevas LIC aqui http://cuevasprotegidas.federaciobal.../cavidades.php


Guiem Mulet
Presidente de la FBE

[gianaameri]

FBE President denounces to Guardia Civil (SEPRONA) recent activity in LIC Cave:

http://www.apneamallorca.com/2014/09...l#comment-form

---- Mensaje original ----
Asunto: DENUNCIA actividad en la Cova des Ases
Fecha de envÃ#o: 17/09/2014 15:02
De: Federació Balear Espeleologia <federaciobalear@gmail.com>
Para:
CC:
En referencia a este articulo publicado por APNEA MALLORCA
http://www.apneamallorca.com/2014/09...l#comment-form
en donde se describe la realizacion de una actividad de este club deportivo en la cova des ases
La Cova des Ases es una cueva protegida a nivel de la EU cono LIC ( lugar de Importancia Comunitaria) ES5310043 y por ello cualquier visita debe contar con la preceptiva autorización de la Conselleria de Medi Ambient y aun más para la realización de la actividad que habéis desarrollado que implica un claro riesgo tanto para la seguridad de las personas como para la integridad de los espeleotemas y fauna que alberga la cueva.
Por todo ello esta Federacion Balear de Espeleologia y en el marco del proyecto que lleva a cabo con la Fundación Biodiversidad del Ministerio de Medio Ambiente y con la Dirección de Medi Natural de la Conselleria de Medi Ambient del Govern Balear sobre protección y conservación de las cuevas LIC de Baleares presentará la correspondiente denuncia para que se averigüe y proceda en su caso si esta actividad estaba debidamente autorizada.
No queremos decir con ello que no se puedan visitar las cavidades protegidas como LIC de Baleares sino que cualquier clase de visita debe contar con su preceptiva autorización y de esta manera establecer las pautas poder garantizar la conservación de los frágiles ecosistemas que albergan y que el impacto de la actividad sea el mÃ#nimo posible
Lista cavidades LIC http://cuevasprotegidas.federaciobal.../cavidades.php
Guiem Mulet
Presidente de la FBE

[FredMgt]

Cave Diving in Mallorca is dead until a new generation, more open-minded, will take the lead at the FBE.

[gianaameri]

A fee bad apples have ruined it for all.

The FBE is controlled by TWO people only, father and son (I believe).

The father has no cave diving formal training and certification and yet he denounces to the police those who dive the same caves he dives.

These are European Union protected caves!

[lv2dive]

Could you put slightly smaller image in your signature? It's totally distracting (not in a good way). just one person's humble opinion.

[gianaameri]

Could you put slightly smaller image in your signature? It's totally distracting (not in a good way). just one person's humble opinion.

The big stalagmite distracts you?

I am sooooo soooorry, am I bad...

The picture is from Toni Cirer, Grup Nort de Mallorca, and I can't alter it (just checked to see if I could accomodate you). It is as is on his controlled server/publisher.

I think it is an awesome picture of the small caves in the island.