Cow Springs

[lv2dive]

Wow I feel for those people. I know that i wasn't a perfect diver out of any of my cave classes; heck, I'm far from it now. I did, however, have some REALLY good instructors along the way, and was fortunate enough to be close enough to cave country to drive down fairly often to work on my skills.

I didn't see the videos, true. But what I did see from the responses to Tony's emails is people who are actively working on their skills and trying to improve. I'm new to this community but... isn't that the kind of people we want? people who genuinely want to get better? And if they are reading this thread, we are equating them to spivey and all but accusing them of graffiti? WTH?

Thanks Tony for reaching out. I really hope they take you up on it.

To Mike & buddy... If you are reading this, I'm not an instructor or a mentor, I'm just a pretty new cave diver. But if you are reading this, I'd be happy to buddy up with you at Ginnie the next time we are both in town.

[WEPIV]

Thanks Tony for reaching out to them and with the offer you made. Things like that can make a difference.
Also thanks to H2OJoe for bringing this to light in the first place.

[tflaris]

Katie
Thank you for offering your time to assist Mike and Danielle. We are started out as something else (except Forrest, I believe he was born a sump diver) and slowly developed into a cave diver. Along the way, hopefully we had buddies, Instructors, mentors that helped us become better divers. Its my hope that we can help preserve our overhead world by reaching out to new cave divers to help them develop and refine cave skills in lieu of scaring them away.

I know that there are many of you currently doing this and I applaud you and your efforts. Keep up the good work.

I cannot speak for the other posters but I'm sure they were concerned about their safety and the preservation of the cave. The incident at Eagle's Nest has all of us on edge.

Tony Flaris
90-4210-4550

[fishinmaniac]

If they were diving with an instructor why was someone in a single tank with a yoke k valve? And explain the dive in cow with no apparent primary...dangerous #### right there. The single yoke is one thing but being in there with no primary is plain stupid.

[Dsix36]

Tony,

I really appreciate your efforts to help mentor these new divers. It goes a long way to educate others in the world of cave diving. Offering to help rather than criticize shows your true character. I still remember diving with you when I was a newly minted cave diver. Your time and patience was instrumental in me turning out as totally awesome as I am (tongue in cheek).

I am fortunate to consider you my friend.

[ianr33]

I wonder what credentials (i.e. c-cards) were presented during check in.

Presumably they presented (Full) Cave cards, as that is what is needed to dive Cow http://www.nsscds.org/nsscdsdivesites

I suppose there's nothing to stop someone having a Cave card and choosing to dive a single tank with only one reg though.

[cavewoman]

Kate and Tony, bravo for reaching out and offering your help. I know even some experienced cave divers who could always learn a thing or two. I've said it in the past very publicly and will do so yet again that be it a dive in the spring basin, or a scooter dive in Ginnie I am always happy to go and dive within limits with other divers. We need more people out there like this. Hopefully these guys take you up on your kind offers.

[FW]

Presumably they presented (Full) Cave cards, as that is what is needed to dive Cow http://www.nsscds.org/nsscdsdivesites

I suppose there's nothing to stop someone having a Cave card and choosing to dive a single tank with only one reg though.

They were diving downstream, which only requires cavern.

[tflaris]

Thanks Forrest for the clarification.


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[Tegg]

They were diving downstream, which only requires cavern.

When diving within the cavern zone... Right?