Best way to get OW divers out of the cave?

[JamesK]

That is along the lines of my invention called the RADAR. Rescue A Dumb Ass Rope ©™. They will be hitting store shelves soon but are available for preorder.


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[TracyN]

That is along the lines of my invention called the RADAR. Rescue A Dumb Ass Rope ©™. They will be hitting store shelves soon but are available for preorder.


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Well where was this rope the other day? We could have used it to corral them with. Rick Crawford must be able to get access to RADAR. Maybe you can place an emergency RADAR on the wall of the cavern like a life preserver to be used in the event that a brave cave diver has to go and rescue a dumb ass.

[Ken Hill]

You are right,Tyler Moon was trying to do the right thing,and was arrested.

Tyler was issued a summons to appear front of the Gilchrist County Court to answer a charge of battery by the woman he escorted out of the cave by the tank boot. He also saw to it that her four new OW students following her also were safely removed. She was a "YMCA" instructor that was not certified to teach Cavern after attempting to gain that rating.

The Judge dismissed the charge against Tyler and scolded the Instructor stating. "His actions were akin to him pushing you out of the way of a moving train!"

She was later stripped of her "Y" credentials.

The "greatest" genius I encountered was the OW diver that made it to the little pit below the lips at Devils using the strobe from his camera. As pointed out it was technically not a violation of Ginnie's "No lights" rule.

One caveat and the reason for the edit is that if you are a "dive professional" (I.E. COVERED BY LIABILITY INSURANCE) you may have a responsibility to act if you see a dangerous situation, whether the diver is your student or not. I recall some ridiculous ruling out of California making this something to be aware of.

[Tegg]

Tyler was issued a summons to appear front of the Gilchrist County Court to answer a charge by the woman he escorted out of the cave by the tank boot. He also saw to out that her four students also were safe. She was a "YMCA" instructor that was not certified to Cavern after attempting to gain that rating.

The Judge dismissed the charge against Tyler and scolded the Instructor stating. "His actions were akin to him pushing you out of the way of a moving train!"

She was later stripped of her "Y" credentials.

The "greatest" genius I encountered was the OW diver that made it to the little pit below the lips at Devils using the strobe from his camera. As pointed out it was technically not a violation of Ginnie's "No lights" rule.

Good to see there are still solid judges using common sense in the system.

I figure this would be SOP for the most part and since there has now been a case to reference, it will be good for any of those who feel they need to prevent another accident from taking place.

(*** legal warning ***)
Just because someone else did not get charged does not mean you can't be. Each judge is different and each county is different. Be mindful of this when choosing to get involved.

[Ken Hill]

Good to see there are still solid judges using common sense in the system.

I figure this would be SOP for the most part and since there has now been a case to reference, it will be good for any of those who feel they need to prevent another accident from taking place.

(*** legal warning ***)
Just because someone else did not get charged does not mean you can't be. Each judge is different and each county is different. Be mindful of this when choosing to get involved.

Joe,

Correct but see my caveat edit that was done between your post and mine. Actions based on good judgment and common sense that can be seen as reasonable actions on your part seem to prevail. That's not to say there will be no issues of civil or criminal inquiry you'll have to face before you are exonerated.

Tyler's issue was perhaps 15 + years ago when I was doing my co-teaching with him. /K

[Greenwood_60]

This probably won't be a popular reply, but since no one has figured out how to keep them out, or to turn them - and figure how many are going in when no cave divers are there - why not focus on helping them get out safely? If we're truly concerned about having a cave closed and/or preventing deaths, maybe it's our job to develop a strategy for getting them out rather than scorning them in threads like this? As silly as this may sound to some of you, what about taking a hard look at the 1st 100 or 200 feet in and figuring out what an OW diver could use to exit safely?

I tend to agree with you. If it's happening as often as we see it, how much is it happening when we're not looking. Take Ginnie; we keep the catacombs unlined for training... but how many OW divers have had issues by getting off the unlined passage from the eye. Would lining the catacombs (including arrows) really be a problem? Is training a diver to run a line cleanly alongside another line not a valuable skill anyways?

[WEPIV]

Tracy,

I was diving at Paradise Spring years ago and as always, I dropped down into the short, deep cave passage there with a reel.
I encountered silty, low vis water and one by one, three divers came to me, eyes wide open and I put their hand on my line and pointed the way out.
They had apparently just wanted to take a "peek" in there and of course stirred up the silt and got hit with narcosis.
I wonder from time to time if they would have made their way out if I had not swam in with my line. (They were all open water divers.)

[Greenwood_60]

I was diving at Paradise Spring years ago and as always, I dropped down into the short, deep cave passage there with a reel.

That's a particularly nasty section. Between the extremely fine silt, lack of flow, and the angle you descend in to it... I can't see how an open water diver would not blow the vis.

[O.C.Diver]

It might be interesting, if you catch one just pass the cavern zone, to spit your regulator out, give the diver the out of air sign, then breath on his back up reg as hard and fast as you can all the way out. The fear from an out of air diver situation might be just the right reality check.

Ted

[Aquabot]

It might be interesting, if you catch one just pass the cavern zone, to spit your regulator out, give the diver the out of air sign, then breath on his back up reg as hard and fast as you can all the way out. The fear from an out of air diver situation might be just the right reality check.

Ted

lol that sounds like too much fun.