Forget the CDS for a moment. Is there a problem with the level of cave training?

[lakediver]

Actually, it's, "Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnobody expects the Spanish Inquisition."

"Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency"

[BabyDuck]

'and fanatical devotion to the pope!' i love you people.

while i don't think the sky is falling, i have seen some appalling things from very highly regarded instructors and not-so-well-regarded instructors alike. i've seen a rebreather cave class *kneeling in the cave, tying in*. and larry's first cavern class dive was to the lips, which i think is a bit far from the daylight zone.

i still think my instructor is the bee's knees, though he doesn't like sidemount.

but you know, what do we really want to do about it? there's a pretty fine line between 'you're not the scuba police' and 'we are a self-policing community'. remember the time someone posted a concern about how a group was using their stage gas and the thread erupted like a volcano? what if that someone didn't say anything & that group died from poor gas planning? then again, how many people tried to talk to the wayne's world duo? i know these examples weren't instructor/student, but they point out that we just really aren't that good at self-policing unless you mean gossip. that we have down pretty well.

[cerich]

I'm sure they only went to the lips for a kiss....

'and fanatical devotion to the pope!' i love you people.

while i don't think the sky is falling, i have seen some appalling things from very highly regarded instructors and not-so-well-regarded instructors alike. i've seen a rebreather cave class *kneeling in the cave, tying in*. and larry's first cavern class dive was to the lips, which i think is a bit far from the daylight zone.

i still think my instructor is the bee's knees, though he doesn't like sidemount.

but you know, what do we really want to do about it? there's a pretty fine line between 'you're not the scuba police' and 'we are a self-policing community'. remember the time someone posted a concern about how a group was using their stage gas and the thread erupted like a volcano? what if that someone didn't say anything & that group died from poor gas planning? then again, how many people tried to talk to the wayne's world duo? i know these examples weren't instructor/student, but they point out that we just really aren't that good at self-policing unless you mean gossip. that we have down pretty well.

[gschaut]

I wish it was knee prints, it's places that look like there were mud wrestling contests happening.... Good point.

Is someone running a variation on the "Five Fathom Club" (Full Cave Club)?

And if so, will there be awards granted?

[Gypsy Diver]

'and fanatical devotion to the pope!' i love you people.

while i don't think the sky is falling, i have seen some appalling things from very highly regarded instructors and not-so-well-regarded instructors alike. i've seen a rebreather cave class *kneeling in the cave, tying in*. and larry's first cavern class dive was to the lips, which i think is a bit far from the daylight zone.

i still think my instructor is the bee's knees, though he doesn't like sidemount.

but you know, what do we really want to do about it? there's a pretty fine line between 'you're not the scuba police' and 'we are a self-policing community'. remember the time someone posted a concern about how a group was using their stage gas and the thread erupted like a volcano? what if that someone didn't say anything & that group died from poor gas planning? then again, how many people tried to talk to the wayne's world duo? i know these examples weren't instructor/student, but they point out that we just really aren't that good at self-policing unless you mean gossip. that we have down pretty well.

Yessic Spencer used to hang out at the Hudson Grotto back when, I talked with him on seveal occasions (he wanted to dive with me) and I came away with the impression he was a YAHOO COWBOY go from there, just my opinion.