Crossunder Tunnel at Madison...

[Jim Wyatt]

Hasn't this come up before regarding the Godzilla line? It's the continuous line vs. shortest distance confusion. Why not just make that a T, and end the discussion?

No, you are thinking of the wrong place. This time we are discussing the beginning of that line, 15 feet from the gold line.

T's are not always the best solution, in fact IMO they are rarely the best solution.

[Greenwood_60]

No, you are thinking of the wrong place.

Is he talking about the start of the Godzilla line ("The Godzilla jump has a single arrow pointing the wrong why at the start of the line.") or the end of the Godzilla line ("at the very beginning of the Godzilla Room jump?")... ? I think of two different locations when you say "Godzilla Jump" vs "Godzilla Room Jump".

[Jim Wyatt]

Is he talking about the start of the Godzilla line ("The Godzilla jump has a single arrow pointing the wrong why at the start of the line.") or the end of the Godzilla line ("at the very beginning of the Godzilla Room jump?")... ? I think of two different locations when you say "Godzilla Jump" vs "Godzilla Room Jump".

I "assumed" he was talking about 15 feet from the gold line.

The other line arrow, near the Godzilla room is placed and pointing correctly.

[jj1987]

T's are not always the best solution, in fact IMO they are rarely the best solution.

Just curious-- why do you say that? I would T everything excluding extremely difficult passages and active exploration if it were up to me...It's done that way in most Tallahassee Sinks as well as river caves almost everywhere in FL and it saves a ton of time.

[Jim Wyatt]

Just curious-- why do you say that? I would T everything excluding extremely difficult passages and active exploration if it were up to me...It's done that way in most Tallahassee Sinks as well as river caves almost everywhere in FL and it saves a ton of time.

You are welcome to call me and I'll explain it to you.

[Sludge]

It's done that way in most Tallahassee Sinks as well as river caves almost everywhere in FL and it saves a ton of time.

... as well as the back half of Jackson Blue (the system I'm most familiar with). As long as they are correctly marked with arrows, I like T's much better.

[Jim Wyatt]

. As long as they are correctly marked with arrows,

That is the issue.

People should slow down, smell the roses and personally mark their navigational decisions.

[jcr]

T everything and run the gold line all the way to surface.

[jj1987]

That is the issue.

People should slow down, smell the roses and personally mark their navigational decisions.

I don't think having T's implies that you can't leave your own marker. I treat T's and jumps the same-- drop a cookie on the exit side, a jump just requires that I make the T myself every-single-time.

Using guidelines to slow people down isn't something I agree with. I do agree that you should personally mark your navigational decisions.

... as well as the back half of Jackson Blue (the system I'm most familiar with). As long as they are correctly marked with arrows, I like T's much better.

...and Bozel, and Twin, etc.

T everything and run the gold line all the way to surface.

+1

[Jim Wyatt]

Using guidelines to slow people down isn't something I agree with.

Opinions vary.