Indian is closed?

[speleodiver]

Maybe the real point here is the trade off. CCR at Emerald/CC and scooters at Indian. Personally I think there are some valid points here. Especially the ones who would rather boycott diving then go back to the roots and dive OC. Seems to be a lot of folks that jumped right into scuba on CCR and just can't hack the old school days of hours of deco to see a great cave. All is fine by me as I don't have to look at damaged cave and I actually have space to sit without all the breathers piled on every table bench and tailgate. Btw, I own a CCR and I still would rather scooter OC then not dive CCR!
With the dives I pull I'm carrying all the OC gas anyway so why have the breather to slow me down?

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Maybe the real point here is the trade off. CCR at Emerald/CC and scooters at Indian. Personally I think there are some valid points here. Especially the ones who would rather boycott diving then go back to the roots and dive OC. Seems to be a lot of folks that jumped right into scuba on CCR and just can't hack the old school days of hours of deco to see a great cave. All is fine by me as I don't have to look at damaged cave and I actually have space to sit without all the breathers piled on every table bench and tailgate. Btw, I own a CCR and I still would rather scooter OC then not dive CCR!
With the dives I pull I'm carrying all the OC gas anyway so why have the breather to slow me down?

Except for all the CCR divers in this thread HAVE done their OC time.

[harmstrong]

Maybe the real point here is the trade off. CCR at Emerald/CC and scooters at Indian. Personally I think there are some valid points here. Especially the ones who would rather boycott diving then go back to the roots and dive OC. Seems to be a lot of folks that jumped right into scuba on CCR and just can't hack the old school days of hours of deco to see a great cave. All is fine by me as I don't have to look at damaged cave and I actually have space to sit without all the breathers piled on every table bench and tailgate. Btw, I own a CCR and I still would rather scooter OC then not dive CCR!
With the dives I pull I'm carrying all the OC gas anyway so why have the breather to slow me down?

Not quite sure what you are trying to say here....

CCRs were never on the prohibited list at Emerald. If you are happy to dive OC at Indian (or anywhere else, for that matter) that's great. Not all of us feel that way. I dived OC for many years, 10 of them as a cave diver. These days we are set up for CCR, and switching back and forth between the two is royal (and expensive) pita, hence the preference for CCR.

BTW, we had a nice conversation Sunday morning with Leslie at the shop, it was nice meeting her.

[speleodiver]

Not quite sure what you are trying to say here....

CCRs were never on the prohibited list at Emerald. If you are happy to dive OC at Indian (or anywhere else, for that matter) that's great. Not all of us feel that way. I dived OC for many years, 10 of them as a cave diver. These days we are set up for CCR, and switching back and forth between the two is royal (and expensive) pita, hence the preference for CCR.

BTW, we had a nice conversation Sunday morning with Leslie at the shop, it was nice meeting her.

I agree switching back and forth can have its ups and downs. My point is at not diving cause of limitations. Being here in the county, it seems the more people refrain from diving sites and bringing forth valid concerns of limitations, the more the restrictions remain in place. In the conversation with Lesley it was mentioned scooters were to be revisited at Emerald and CC after a year. This hasn't happened because people would rather just not dive and with that the issue fades away. I send proposals to the state and Feds all the time. One or two won't get anything accomplished but many from different folks will start the wheels turning in those agencies.

I know CCR was never off the list at both state sites. That was the perception left by a certain resident who boycotted those sites over other reasons. He boycotts Indian over CCR restrictions. While I understand not wanting to dive OC after spending the money and time on CCR, I don't see it being an all out reason to not dive at all. I don't know you or you diving habits so don't take what I say personally but rather an invitation to push your point of view to the people who make decisions and get some changes in place that suit your desires. While the CDF is good for venting and a little information here and there. It won't likely meet eye contact with the right people. Trust me I have an interest I everyone diving in Wakulla County. It can be done but like I said before it takes active divers pushing the issues.

[harmstrong]

I agree switching back and forth can have its ups and downs. My point is at not diving cause of limitations. Being here in the county, it seems the more people refrain from diving sites and bringing forth valid concerns of limitations, the more the restrictions remain in place. In the conversation with Lesley it was mentioned scooters were to be revisited at Emerald and CC after a year. This hasn't happened because people would rather just not dive and with that the issue fades away. I send proposals to the state and Feds all the time. One or two won't get anything accomplished but many from different folks will start the wheels turning in those agencies.

I know CCR was never off the list at both state sites. That was the perception left by a certain resident who boycotted those sites over other reasons. He boycotts Indian over CCR restrictions. While I understand not wanting to dive OC after spending the money and time on CCR, I don't see it being an all out reason to not dive at all. I don't know you or you diving habits so don't take what I say personally but rather an invitation to push your point of view to the people who make decisions and get some changes in place that suit your desires. While the CDF is good for venting and a little information here and there. It won't likely meet eye contact with the right people. Trust me I have an interest I everyone diving in Wakulla County. It can be done but like I said before it takes active divers pushing the issues.

Steve,

I was a diver for many years with the WKPP. It's easy for me to "boycott" Indian since I can't dive there the way I want to, as I did a couple of hundred dives there between 1997 and 2001. I understand that my situation is a little different, and that I am hardheaded . We are more than willing to pursue these issues with "the powers that be". Unfortunately, as you correctly point out, a few voices are easily ignored (especially when there are established relationships in play), and what is really required to make change is many pushing the same agenda.

[speleodiver]

Steve,

I was a diver for many years with the WKPP. It's easy for me to "boycott" Indian since I can't dive there the way I want to, as I did a couple of hundred dives there between 1997 and 2001. I understand that my situation is a little different, and that I am hardheaded . We are more than willing to pursue these issues with "the powers that be". Unfortunately, as you correctly point out, a few voices are easily ignored (especially when there are established relationships in play), and what is really required to make change is many pushing the same agenda.

Heather,

I couldn't agree more. My point is don't stop what you love doing simply over a small inconvienance. You are correct. Small numbers means nobody bothers to look. It's truly a sad situation here with the magnitude of diving available. The biggest enemy here is not the established relationships but simply the lack of diving and lack of voice. There are by far a greater number of voices outside those established relationships. I'm open for suggestions has to getting them all together.