Indian is closed?

[PfcAJ]

I've heard through the grapevine that Indian Springs has been sold and is closed to diving (or will be closed shortly). Does anyone have the scoop on this?

Indian is one of the best dives out there (maybe THE best) and it would be a real shame to lose it.

[Kelly Jessop]

Last day of diving Indian will more likely be today. The property across the street owned by the YMCA was sold,and the new owners are leasing the camp. They are interested in diving,but want to understand the process,their liability etc. Hence,they haven't said no to diving,they just want time,so diving is on hold. There has been communication with the owners,and we have assests on board to help through any legal hurdles. For now,be patient,and lets us work at it.

[Jax]

Last day of diving Indian will more likely be today. The property across the street owned by the YMCA was sold,and the new owners are leasing the camp. They are interested in diving,but want to understand the process,their liability etc. Hence,they haven't said no to diving,they just want time,so diving is on hold. There has been communication with the owners,and we have assests on board to help through any legal hurdles. For now,be patient,and lets us work at it.

This is good news - they are open to learning!

[harmstrong]

This is good news - they are open to learning!

Is it good news? Indian is one of the best dives out there, too bad I haven't dived it since around 2001. Personally I could care less whether it is open or not, since it is only open for *some*. I'm sure the negotiations with the new leaseholders will continue to leave those of us diving CCR out in the cold. Anyone care to shed some light on that?

[PfcAJ]

Last day of diving Indian will more likely be today. The property across the street owned by the YMCA was sold,and the new owners are leasing the camp. They are interested in diving,but want to understand the process,their liability etc. Hence,they haven't said no to diving,they just want time,so diving is on hold. There has been communication with the owners,and we have assests on board to help through any legal hurdles. For now,be patient,and lets us work at it.

Thanks for the update, Kelly. Hopefully something will get worked out!

[Benthic]

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For now,be patient,and lets us work at it.

While you're working on it, could you please explore the possibility of allowing CCR there and abolishing the guide system?

Brian

[Jim Wyatt]

While you're working on it, could you please explore the possibility of allowing CCR there and abolishing the guide system?

Brian

Yes indeed Kelly...try to bring the new owners into the 21st century...

[Kevin Carlisle]

While you're working on it, could you please explore the possibility of allowing CCR there and abolishing the guide system?

Brian

Im not against CCR diving there but I would vote NO on open unguided dives. Its too nice too turn it into a Ginnie or Jackson Blue.

[harmstrong]

Im not against CCR diving there but I would vote NO on open unguided dives. Its too nice too turn it into a Ginnie or Jackson Blue.

So you'd rather:

1. pay someone to hold your hand,

2. potentially dive with some unknown whackjob that someone else deemed "good enough" to be a guide,

and

3. give property owners the idea that training is not complete enough and we must "supervise" trained and certified divers?

Thanks, but no thanks.

[Kevin Carlisle]

So you'd rather:

1. pay someone to hold your hand,

2. potentially dive with some unknown whackjob that someone else deemed "good enough" to be a guide,

and

3. give property owners the idea that training is not complete enough and we must "supervise" trained and certified divers?

Thanks, but no thanks.

I see enough people that are horrible at full cave that I have to say YES. I know who I would dive with and I know they aren't wack jobs. If more instructors would fail some people at upper levels I would agree with you. Whatever gets this to open im for. Its not public, its on private property. If we can win them over im all for it but in general I dont like the guided part either. Im on your side more than you know, but some access is better than No access.