Originally Posted by mdax
I strongly agree. In a previous post on this same subject I referenced the first time I had hands on interaction with OW divers. It went south in a hurry mainly because of the son who felt his new temp intro to cave card he just was handed was proper training to lead his father on a cave dive past the lips at Ginnie. I do not encourage escalation of force against another except when the force is justified. Just as we used on the streets as police officers. I learned that day not to be hot headed. Of course under water when we came upon the two it was very difficult to not use force. I had to hold the son back as my partner took the dad towards the exit. He was in a complete panic and very low on air. His mask and reg were removed at some point by him and he would have died had we not acted. Once surfacing, the son became very verbal and threatened physical harm. The dad on the other hand was tankful and understanding. He was the one who calmed his own son down. The lesson I learned was the very first word the cave diver uses will make or break the situation and my partner did not use correct tone or wording. So I agree with you, words can generally deter the situation from becoming an accident but sometimes we must act without regards to ramifications. Threats and violence will never end well. But I think we all know this post is about just acting to crub the stupidity. As Kelly said. he spoke to the people at Cow knowing they trespassed and they were the ones that blew up. He reacted with a mention of a phone call and problem solved. They knew they were wrong and it is usually these people who resort to name calling and violence.
I have no doubt James is doing the right thing and I am certain the poster of the video has seen the light. She did take it down and agreed to meet him.
I think perhaps the defintion of physical is lost in translation. Physical being grabbing someone to get them out versus physical in striking them are two different things even though the penal definition of assault covers both, I do not see law enforcement charging someone for physically removing someone from a cave they were trespassing in or may end up dead in if there was no physical harm done.
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