Wakulla Springs

[LiteHedded]

What non-Halcyon rebreathers are allowed?

yawn...

the old rb80 cash cow. casey and the gang at halcyon are rolling around in the big piles of money coming in from all those rb80 sales. he really is an evil genious

[DogHouseDiver]

Yankee Analog Wreck Nitrox rebreather?

[PfcAJ]

To pass an rb80 class, you kind of need an rb80. We went over that. Try and keep up!

[jcook]

Good job Ken!

[Benderr]

yawn...

the old rb80 cash cow. casey and the gang at halcyon are rolling around in the big piles of money coming in from all those rb80 sales. he really is an evil genious

To pass an rb80 class, you kind of need an rb80. We went over that. Try and keep up!

There was an objection to the earlier letter because it allegedly contained points that were not true. One of those points was that Halcyon gear may or may not be required to dive at Wakulla as part of WKPP operations. If the RB80 is the only rebreather "allowed" at WKPP, then it's reasonable to state that Halcyon gear is "required" for anyone who wants to dive a rebreather.

You could further argue that GUE training is required because 1, it says so on the WKPP website, and 2, because I'll assume that only GUE offers RB80 training.

Anything else you guys need clarified?

[PfcAJ]

The statement in question was that Halcyon equipment was required for GUE training, which isn't true save for the RB80 class, because no one else makes the RB80.

There is a reason (reasons, really) that the RB80 is the decided upon rebreather, and I think that the guys who are doing 10 to 30 hour dives are qualified to make that call. What's the big deal about that?

[Benderr]

The statement in question was that Halcyon equipment was required for GUE training, which isn't true save for the RB80 class, because no one else makes the RB80.

But GUE training is required for WKPP participation (see below)

Things like this "To be a member of that diving group requires you to take all of your training from Global Underwater Explorers (GUE). To do GUE training requires you to buy all Halcyon brand equipment" are boldface lies, and someone (me, in this case) needs to call out complete lies and 'keep it real'. The majority of people who read that will take it as fact, and that's just not right.

Then the letter goes on to state that Halcyon equipment is required for GUE classes. Misleading or blatant lie? Sounds like a lie to me. You can pass ANY GUE class without a single piece of Halcyon equipment (with the possible exception of rb80 since the rb80 is made by Halcyon. But then again its tough to pass a Meg course without using a Meg...). So where's the basis for this statement? Same as above, functionality is the name of the game.

there are lies in that letter. some of us felt compelled to respond. sorry if pointing it out derailed the whole argument...
I'm certainly not here to pound my chest.

I agree that the statement "Halcyon equipment was required for GUE training" is incorrect.I think it's fair to say that Halcyon equipment is required for rebreather divers participating in WKPP activities, and that GUE training is required to participate in WKPP activities, both for OC and rebreather divers. Once again, this is what is listed in your own materials. There may very well be exceptions, but that's not what was on the site the last time I checked.

While the original statement isn't technically true, it's close enough to the truth that you could assume the original author simply failed to properly state his argument. The concept of the statement IS true.

People who want to dive Wakulla have to pay the permit holders. They have to pay dues for wkpp, have to pay for classes available exclusively through their agency, have to pay for equipment (if they are RB divers) manufactured by their corporation, and, they can do all of this at the retail dive shop owned by the permit holders (two hours away).

[FW]

OK guys. This thread is about Wakulla, not Halycon, let it rest, or start a new thread.

[OFG-1]

The statement in question was that Halcyon equipment was required for GUE training, which isn't true save for the RB80 class, because no one else makes the RB80.

There is a reason (reasons, really) that the RB80 is the decided upon rebreather, and I think that the guys who are doing 10 to 30 hour dives are qualified to make that call. What's the big deal about that?

AJ, you keep making a circular argument. The WKPP can make whatever choices that it wishes, stop trying to come up with reasons why they can. They can include or exclude whomever they want, it is a private organization. They can choose whatever gear they want. The more you argue, the more you reinforce the obvious conflicts that do exist. You can't make this better by making it bigger.

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[JamesK]

I just received an email from the Florida DEP in regards to the email. At least I know they are getting them and noticing them.