Caves appropriate for intro level

[Sludge]

Back of my NACD Intro card says "No major restrictions".

Now that you mention it, there are some things written on my NSS-CDS cards - when I get home I need to look at them.

[hunabku]

Can you tell me where this is written? I couldn't find it one way or the other.

I was going from memory. Now that I am home from work here is a reference.

NACD Cavern and Cave Diver Workbook, Page 80:

Introduction to Cave Diver Limitations (#6) Minor Restrictions Permitted

FWIW, I have no knowledge whatsoever about the caves in question. I was only commenting about the limitations for intro so as to preempt any angst when yall see me using the rabbit hole.

If all goes well I won't have to worry about it in a month though.

[RN]

Thanks to everyone who has responded. I feel the same. They are not Intro level caves. And neither are Maunds or Pot. Yet a couple of my students were not only told about these springs but also given directions to them. The did not dive Maunds or Pot. They could immediately tell those caves were beyond their training levels. Bozell and Maddachalk was a different story, though. I've talked to the student that told me this and clarified intro limitations (although it's no longer an issue for him). I'm also going to expand on my explanation of limitations to all of my students since apparently not everyone feels the way as everyone who has posted in this thread does. Thanks again.

[kotik]

Regarding Twin and comparable systems, my vote is that people have judgement, and it can be exercised. Aside from playing lawyer on the fine print of intro limitations, I wouldn't say there's anything about going up and down the mainline in Twin that violates the spirit of Intro level diving. I dove it at intro level, and never had any nagging sense that it was outside my skill level or training. I'm comfortable making my own judgment calls if a situation calls for interpretation, and that one minor restriction at the open water border didn't bother me.

I'll also add that the last time I was in Twin, there were some horrendous furrows that someone dug in the clay with a scooter. I'll presume that whoever did that was diving within their certification, which means they were full cave certified plus DPV. Obviously, they were diving past the limits of their skills. I guess my point is that using judgement and being careful to stick within your abilities ain't just for intro.

[ScubaSteveL]

Back of my NACD Intro card says "No major restrictions".

My TDI Intro card says "no restrictions". I guessing they lumped major and minor into that. Just throwing that out there.

[gschaut]

My TDI Intro card says "no restrictions". I guessing they lumped major and minor into that. Just throwing that out there.

That statement could be taken two ways...

- You are not permitted to pass thru any cave passages that qualify as a "restriction".

- You are permitted to dive thru any cave, anywhere, anytime, with any equipment configuration.

(just kidding... - please don't ban me!)

[LakeCityDiver]

My TDI Intro card says "no restrictions". I guessing they lumped major and minor into that. Just throwing that out there.

My card says the same exact thing..... WEIRD!!!

[Sludge]

I found my Intro card. It has a list of rules, but doesn't mention restrictions.

[a64pilot]

You guy's have cards?

[rjack]

I'm also going to expand on my explanation of limitations to all of my students since apparently not everyone feels the way as everyone who has posted in this thread does. Thanks again.

Whatever research they did, maps or directions they got is irrelevant. If some charter or private boat took them to an ocean wreck beyond their training and experience would you blame the captain?