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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Carlisle View Post
    Given the fact that he is in one of the more predominant sm places around, and he knew he couldn't help the students, and that he had Edd as well as Jeff Loflin there I think that was the right decision. Not knowing the cave well enough was a poor choice though. He should have did a recon dive before class started.
    So, another lesson learned is to make sure your instructor isn't bigger than you?


    Ruh-roh . . .


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    Quote Originally Posted by aainslie View Post
    I still can't believe he got lost in a cave like JB. Just amazing.
    Andrew, there are thousands of feet of line in JB that do not appear on any map, most put in in the last 6 or so years. Most in the back, but a few places pretty close up front.

    Up in the front 1500 feet or so, there are probably 6 or 8 different jumps you can take, some well known, some not, and there are jumps off of some of those jumps. Sucker lines in most of them, just to make it look interesting. Some of the side passages are large, but there are some serious mole holes. There are a couple of short circuits that are used for training, and they are not too bad, but if you jump off of the circuit then you are in a bunch of tight silty stuff. There are two that I know of that are vertical cracks, where if you go up, it just gets tighter. We had a guy get physically stuck in a crack a couple of years back, and eventually drown.

    And as you said, if you get turned around, and do not have the presence of mind to just be patient, then the silt never leaves you as you struggle to get out.

    Anyhow, this is pure speculation on my part, but my point is that there are lots of spots in JB that are not big, tourist cave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jax View Post
    So, another lesson learned is to make sure your instructor isn't bigger than you?


    Ruh-roh . . .
    Good luck with you on that lol.


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    Anyone know if the students passed and got their cards?


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    LOL ianr33


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    Quote Originally Posted by ianr33 View Post
    Anyone know if the students passed and got their cards?
    Yikes! What does one do in this situation? Get your money back and find another instructor?

    If those guys were not from the area, they laid out a bunch of costs to get and be there, as well as leave time from the job.

    Guess this lesson is -- choose your instructor wisely!


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    Sorry, Edd.


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    Just think of what was going through Edd's students head. Damn this cave diving stuff is serious...

    "cave diving on CCR is like trusting an iphones maps to get you to your first date.... A Pain to setup, but a rush when pulling through tight spaces so far from home"

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    Default Carnegie Hero Fund Award

    If someone that lives in the Marianna area can get a copy of the police report and send it to me, I will be happy to nominate Edd for this award.
    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianr33 View Post
    Anyone know if the students passed and got their cards?
    Sounded like one was doing as he was taught, the other maybe not. I wonder if the instructor was actually along as a 3rd buddy or if he was merely 'shadowing' them while they executed the dive? So did the students lose their shadow or lose their buddy?



 

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