Edd doesn't dive in caves, caves build themselves around Edd.
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Edd doesn't dive in caves, caves build themselves around Edd.
It's not the years in your life that matter, but the life in your years.
You know, all this "Edd is Superman" chatter is fun, but there is a side here that, in my opinion at least, needs to be acknowledged.
It is wonderful that Edd was there and able to have a positive impact. Edd has experience and developed skill sets that many off us will never have the opportunity to hone to the same degree. Edd did what he could, and this time it was enough.
I have no insight to how this situation developed, nor will I speculate,
Even though we generally try to execute dives to minimize risk, sometimes the $&!+ just hits the fan, and Edd can't always be there. If/when it does for you,remember the training, remember the drills, remember the practice, these tools that can be real game changers.
Panic can be a game changer to, just please don't be that guy.
Going through my mind over and over is how easily a rescue can come up short, and how that can suck for a long long time.
Done with my ramblings, so, "Thanks to Edd and any others involved for putting one in the win column!"
Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
-Ferris Bueller
The most certain way to stumble into the future, is to live your life looking over your shoulder.
-Jeff Hawes after getting a huge mulligan...
+1 ....was there with a friend who was getting kitted up in a new nomad. We stayed out of the way until it was over, check-in to JB was on lockdown during the incident. Was great for us to both get a big smiling bear hug from Edd after he finished his talks with those involved. We decided that we'd dive another day. Comments and speculation wont come from us, other than "WELL DONE EDD!!!"Originally Posted by a64pilot
Last edited by Sludge; 02-27-2012 at 02:18 PM. Reason: fix quote
Semper Questio ~ Semper Fidelis
Based on the discussion / lack thereof on this and other recent accidents / close calls I can only come to the conclusion that accident/incident analysis is no longer a part of cave diving. Oh well...
Huh? What's to discuss?
We have VERY limited information so far. Discussion will be a lot more fruitful once some FACTS come out. Who was the mysterious third diver? What training did everyone have? How did they get off the line in the first place? Why were they in a side tunnel? Etc etc etc.
"Analysis" should be conducted carefully and based on facts, not merely a bunch of hypotheses and guesses.
That said, I think there'll be some fairly ordinary lessons here. Not sure what they'll be but I doubt it'll be anything we haven't seen before.
And if an instructor WAS involved I hope the agencies don't blow the incident off.
Andrew Ainslie
Almost extinct cave diver
Way to go Edd!!!!!
Do you actually dive or just #### on everyone who does?
There's nothing to analyze here (yet). There may never be unless the divers involved step up and report what happened. Its not Edd's place to come in here all preachy with a "report" either, even with the names redacted.
I'm glad they were found alive and extricated. In the absence of more information I will continue to dive as I was taught, or at least try to.
Suprised? Aside from a complete report on the WKPP incident and as much can be made available without any actual gas analysis from the MX incident recently, every other incident within however many years has simply been shut down as far as accident analysis goes.
The bigger suprise is that it seems the majority of the cave community is perfectly OK with this.
Richard, from my understanding the instructor is on the board, so we have a first hand account if they wanted to share, as well as multiple people on site that day. I think due to the fact that aside from Jim Miller's passing, Richard Monk's passing, and the recent bad gas in MX, the fact that the majority of accidents these days have been smothered causes people to jump the gun. In this case, I would expect a few more days to hear a complete analysis, but I think that we need to be understanding of those that show frustration at how recent accidents have been dealt with.
Keeping up with students is the most basic skill expected of a cave instructor. At the very least, I would think the agency the instructor was teaching for would demand a report and make it available with names censored. Hopefully they step up.
I am looking at this a little differently than most of ya'all.
It seems to me that regardless of how the incident was caused, our who was a fault, it happened. I am quite content to assume that either someone made a mistake or rules were broken for this to occur. I do not think that an accident analysis will do anything to change my diving or my approach to it.
I would be much more interested in a statement from the point of view of the search/rescue diver (Edd in this instance). It is my opinion that this information could be useful to many cave divers if they were ever in a similar situation. Heck, it might be benefical to a persons self rescue also.
If I am out of line with this post, I apoligize in advance but I am very curious and am seeking insight on this matter.
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