Yes even the fed's mess up...Originally Posted by Slüdge
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Yes even the fed's mess up...
"With regard to cave diving, the great thing is to be carried where you could not have imagined you would ever be, and then to come back alive."
"Wilderness. The word itself is music." Abbey, Desert Solitaire
You must have been an adventurous 60 year old Bill!
Not true.
Here's how the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) hiring system works.
Everyone submits their resume. At the end of the close date, the queue becomes available to the Civilian Personnel Operating Center (CPOC). The HR person in CPOC proceeds to put in some standard phrases, and the systems reduces the resumes to those that match.
Hopefully, the list of words and phrases was coordinated with the selecting supervisor.
So, once s/he gets it down to around 40-ish (or less if s/he is lazy), this non-technical HR person reads the formal Position Description (PD) as it is listed in the Fed Classification System. S/he weeds out those that don't sound like they match the PD. (Are you aghast, yet?)
Finally, a quick check and removal of those that don't meet specific requirements (not a citizen, not degreed, etc).
So, the supervisor gets this 13-15 pruned-down list of resumes, of which 75% tend to be people that just copy and pasted the duty description into their resume.
Oh, yeah . . . the questions - they get weeded out by HR, too.
And that, ladies and gents, is why it is difficult to get good people on board the government.
Oh, did I mention Veteran's preference? If someone is minimally qualified, (has a pulse, degree) YOU MUST TAKE HIM OR HER OVER ANY OTHER CANDIDATES!
Thanks...i was...hiked the grand canyon rim to rim (took 3days to do i though)...there's a ton of cave in the canyon, there is said to be one up a canyon near the cottonwood camping area on the north kaibab, next time i'm there im going to camp at cottonwood and day hike to the cave.
"With regard to cave diving, the great thing is to be carried where you could not have imagined you would ever be, and then to come back alive."
"Wilderness. The word itself is music." Abbey, Desert Solitaire
Let's make this very clear, y'all.
YOU MUST HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE.
All that combination of education and experience is for someone who has a degree and the composite classes and experience to qualify for what is known as a "hard-science degree" [Scientist or Engineer, Career Program 16 (CP16)].
This is not negotiable:
Not trying to dissuade anyone, but the system has very firm requirements that are in stone to keep the good ol' boy network from hiring non-qualified individuals. The fact that it allows edjumicated idjuts to be hired is beside the point.The course work must have included at least 6 semester hours in calculus (including both differential and integral calculus), and at least 6 semester hours in physics. Calculus and physics, as described above, are requirements for all grade levels.
Physical Scientist, GS-1301
A full 4-year course of study in an accredited college or university leading to a bachelor’s or higher degree that included a major field of study in physical science, and/or related engineering science such as mechanics, dynamics, properties of materials, and electronics.
OR
A combination of education and experience that included education in one of the majors described above that included at least 24 semester hours in physical science and/or related engineering science, plus appropriate experience or additional education. The quality of the combination must demonstrate possession of the knowledge, skills, and abilities required to perform the work of the position and are comparable to that normally acquired through the completion of a full four-year course of study with a major as described above.
Geologist, GS-1350 position
A bachelor’s or higher degree from an accredited college or university in geology, plus 20 additional semester hours in any combination of mathematics, physics, chemistry, biological science, structural, chemical, civil, mining or petroleum engineering, computer science, planetary geology, comparative planetology, geophysics, meteorology, hydrology, oceanography, physical geography, marine geology, cartography.
OR
A combination of education and experience - (24 semester hours or equivalent in geology plus 20 additional semester hours or equivalent in any combination of courses specified above, plus appropriate experience and/or additional education for a total of 4 years which demonstrates sufficient knowledge, skills, and abilities required to perform the duties of a professional Geologist.
Natural Resource Program Manager GS-0401
A bachelor’s or higher degree from an accredited college or university in: biological sciences, agriculture, natural resource management, chemistry, or related disciplines appropriate to the position.
OR
A combination of education and experience - Courses equivalent to a major, as shown above, plus appropriate experience or additional education.
Hydrologist GS-1315
A bachelor’s or higher degree from an accredited college or university in physical or natural science, or engineering that included at least 30 semester hours in any combination of courses in hydrology, the physical sciences, geophysics, chemistry, engineering science, soils, mathematics, aquatic biology, atmospheric science, meteorology, geology, oceanography, or the management or conservation of water resources. The course work must have included at least 6 semester hours in calculus (including both differential and integral calculus), and at least 6 semester hours in physics. Calculus and physics, as described above, are requirements for all grade levels.
OR
A combination of education and experience - course work as shown above, plus appropriate experience or additional education.
Hmmm, I qualify as an edjumicated idjut AND i get a veterans preference...my pulse is beating (at the moment)...you have almost caused me to reconsider and give it a shot.Let's make this very clear, y'all.
YOU MUST HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE.
All that combination of education and experience is for someone who has a degree and the composite classes and experience to qualify for what is known as a "hard-science degree" [Scientist or Engineer, Career Program 16 (CP16)].
This is not negotiable:
Not trying to dissuade anyone, but the system has very firm requirements that are in stone to keep the good ol' boy network from hiring non-qualified individuals. The fact that it allows edjumicated idjuts to be hired is beside the point.
"With regard to cave diving, the great thing is to be carried where you could not have imagined you would ever be, and then to come back alive."
"Wilderness. The word itself is music." Abbey, Desert Solitaire
For a 13-mo term appointment, it's not bad. However, some people take them thinking they will be hired into another position at the end of the term. Then they are horribly disappointed. Sometimes, well-meaning but supervisors will tell people that, but I guarantee you we have NO say in budget cuts, hiring freezes, etc. Term appointments are not on our TDA (authorized people) documents, but still have to be approved.
Don't get me wrong -- if anyone wants to apply, I can help. Just be aware the firm requirements must be met.
How can I help? Here's an example on how to write your resume:
Okay, I'm making this up . . . words in blue are what you would have to supply:Directs, coordinates and oversees the Servicewide Cave and Karst Management Program, and serves as the Servicewide expert authority on National Park Service (NPS) cave and karst resources management. Incumbent formulates goals and objectives and provides direction for the NPS cave and karst management program, including workload identification, problem definition, formulation of budget initiatives, and resource inventory, monitoring, assessment, protection, restoration and interpretation.
During my XX years as a volunteer to the xyz organization and working with the Florida State Parks and Services, I provided expert consult in the Direction, coordination of, and provided oversight to the [-]Servicewide[/-] Florida Cave and Karst Management Program. Continue to describe what things you did that support this statement.
I advised the Florida incumbent that formulates goals and objectives and provides direction for the NPS cave and karst management program, including workload identification, problem definition, formulation of budget initiatives, and resource inventory, monitoring, assessment, protection, restoration and interpretation. Furthermore, as the director of a 24-person org in ABC Company, I performed all the forgoing actions, responsible for a $1.5M budget, performing all the required actions not though specifically aimed at Karst Management.
By quoting the duties, you get the job description matches that get you past the computer and the HR person.
By showing how you performed those duties in a different job, you are showing qualifications.
AND if you write it well enough that the supervisor sees (A) you aren't blowing smoke and (B) hell, he knows what he's talking about, you're in.
Actually i could take a year leave or a sabbatical from my academaniac job but then would return to my present job after the term...is there anything in a term appointment that would preclude that?
"With regard to cave diving, the great thing is to be carried where you could not have imagined you would ever be, and then to come back alive."
"Wilderness. The word itself is music." Abbey, Desert Solitaire
How far would a BS in geology from Wright State University, full cave in 95, and a papers, jurneman tool and die maker go?? Really don't like the 13 month term.
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