Cow Springs Access Restrictions for Conservation, Safety, Accessibility

[ffdiver5597]

Not really, you get 4 chances a year.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, I'm not a CDS member yet. And I have nothing against you, I actually enjoy reading your post even if I don't agree.

Having said that though, again you are voicing your opinion on an Internet forum that shouldn't have influence over the CDS. It's nice to have hypothetical conversations and read the forums but Realisticly I wouldn't get mad if my opinion wasn't considered on a big matter.

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Not really, you get 4 chances a year.

4 chances to be at a specific location at a specific time. Thats difficult considering this is a national organization with international membership.

Having said that though, again you are voicing your opinion on an Internet forum that shouldn't have influence over the CDS. It's nice to have hypothetical conversations and read the forums but Realisticly I wouldn't get mad if my opinion wasn't considered on a big matter.

I'm not mad. It really is just me voicing my opinion I know this is a hypothetical thread, but it was created by one of the BOD, so atleast one person seemed to be curious about the overall majorities thoughts on the matter. That doesn't mean he pushed for the majority side(although I'm guessing he did), and it doesn't mean that more of the BOD over-ruled him for God knows what reason. There's another of the BOD that is a regular here at CDF and is very active, including in this thread. Then atleast one more of the BOD who has an account, but almost certainly doesn't check the forums regularly enough. So while unofficial, it was surely noticed by atleast 2 of the BODs who are certainly capable of relaying any information found here to the rest.

I'd like to hear how the change came about, but I know better than to hold my breath on the matter :P

[FW]

Well... if this poll is accurate, atleast you guys took into account nearly 10% of people's wishes... lol

Piss on the other 90%

The reason had noting to do with the poll. The vote was based on liability.

[a64pilot]

Mat,
You can breathe now

[huxley]

maybe it was more important what people felt and what they thought than a limited choice which doesn't mean a lot. Why would the CDS base their decision on a wild internet poll with limited choices and where people can vote that do not even dive, nor being a member or maybe vote several times under different names or whatever.
From what I understand this was never meant to be an official vote on this subject, so why do people complain now that the decision made is different from what the poll says?

[ffdiver5597]

The reason had noting to do with the poll. The vote was based on liability.

Out of curiosity, what was the overall feeling on why the abe davis award should not be required?

My feeling on this whole thing is that, the BOD is made up of experienced divers, most of them instructors at one time. If for whatever reason they feel that 100 dives doesn't need to be required then I trust their judgement.

[PfcAJ]

So does that mean that the other '100 cave dive' sites will be open to all cave divers due to liability? I'm not following the logic (I'm sure there is some logic...)

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Well, according to FW, it was all about liability...

If the Abe Davis requirement was put into place for conservation reasons, I guess liability takes presedence over conservation.



I know liability is a big concern, but I'm not sure if the message that conservation takes a back seat to it is an overall good thing...

[JerseyJersey]

When I have a question I call a BOD member. I dont go immediately on a public forum and say I dont have the information and never will.

Not every international organization makes their BOD meetings available via skype or video phone. Nor do they have meetings that every member can get to. This organization is being singled out for things you would like to see changed, but these arent transgressions against mankind, nor are they an unusual way of doing business. I dont believe the NSS does or NACD does, nor the NFSA. I think they all do good work. I dont always agree with all of these organizations but I belong to them because of the things I do agree with.

You belong to the NSS even if you arent a dry caver for the same reason you join the boyscouts in order to be a tiger cub or weeblo(who then pay additional dues). BTW you dont go to their BOD meetings either.

You volunteer to better the organization, not because they will give you something for free if you do. I personally did not join the CDS, NACD nor the NFSA for the t-shirt.

If I have a question, I call a BOD member, if the answer is not clear, I call a second BOD member. I dont go on a public forum and announce I will never get an answer.

I have my own opinions on how the organization works and on things they do and dont do. I often dont agree with something that is said or done. I write letters to the BOD to get my opinion on these things considered. ( I believe the secretary reads mail at the meetings and/forwards things to the members.) I make phone calls to get information.

If you dont agree with something. Say so. Dont trash an organization nor its members just because you do. If you want something changed, be proactive in changing it. Dont just dissagree; offer a solution and then offer to be part of the solution.


Keep in mind we dont always get our way. No matter how much we hold our breath and stamp our feet.

And when they do something good. I do mention that.

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Do what you gotta do Cheryl. You speak to the BOD by phone or email.

I choose to get online and voice my opinion. I still have the freedom to do that. We have active BOD members on this forum, and I've been told that what gets said, is heard, regardless of whether or not this is an official place for discussing the CDS or not.



I'm not asking for any free T-shirts, or anything else.




If I'm just spouting crap off that doesn't make any sense, its not going to hurt anyone but myself. If it hits home, then maybe what I have to say has some merit.