cave safety / incedents statistics wanted

[blibecap]

Were can I find information like statistics on cave safety.What I am looking for is safety / accidents with trained cave divers, not problems with untrained rule breakers.

Please reply to mr_bill@mailcity.com

Thanks
Bill

[D1V3R]

Try the NACD web site, its www.safecavediving.com.
That will give you some information, I dont know if they show you any fatality statistics.

also try www.fullcave.com/safety.htm

[blibecap]

I have looked at both of these sites and can't find what I am looking for. I have a friend that wants to know how safe cave diving is once your trained and follow the rules. I am looking for numbers.

[D1V3R]

I cant give you exact numbers but I can tell you that because of all the saftey precautions and redundant equipment, a well trained cave diver is safer diving in a cave than your basic OW diver is in OW.

[Mart]

Were can I find information like statistics on cave safety.What I am looking for is safety / accidents with trained cave divers, not problems with untrained rule breakers.

Please reply to mr_bill@mailcity.com

Thanks
Bill

http://www.iucrr.org/aa.htm

mart

[Dwain]

If you are a member of DAN they put out a statistical paper each year on all types of diving incidents that are reported to them.

Also, take a look at International Underwater Cave Rescue & Recovery.
http://www.iucrr.org

Also, you may want to contact Michael O'Leary with the NACD and Denny Willis with the NSS-CDS


Safe Diving

[Gary]

DAN's has just started collecting data on cave and cavern diving but the data hasn't finished collecting yet for 2005.

Prior to the more recent push for information 2004 Project Dive Exploration Cave/Cavern had 1.2% of the monitored dives resulting in about 3% of the deaths and 0% of the injuries.

While that information is probably off the data implies that cave diving would be about 3 times more likely to kill you per dive then the average dive they monitor but that you are immune to injury.

As obviously incorrect as that is I would expect the monitored deaths to be lower and the injuries to be slightly higher in next years PDE report with more divers involed in a wider range of monitored cave diving.

I predict next year PDE results probably close to on par for deaths (same as average) and injuries still much less then average.

It would be nice if there the PDE data on injury and fatalities for Air vs Nitrox vs Trimix in as used in cave diving was broken out seperate from the OW Tech crowd. In General population Nitrox has about 28% use with 10% of injuries and fatalities making it about 3 times safer then average - while Trimix has about 1% use with 5% of injuries and fatalities making it 5 times more dangerous then average... I think in cave diving the Trimix numbers are likely to be much improved compared to those in the general populace.

[Jason B.]

It is my understanding that as long as the 6 guidelines for cave diving are followed it is relatively safe.
The six contributing factors (from the NSS-CDS workbook)

Lack of training (major factor)

Failure to run a continuous guideline to OW (the most common direct cause of cave diving fatalities)

Failure to reserve at least 2/3 of starting air for exit (second most common direct cause of cave diving fatalities)

Exceeding max depth of your training or MOD of gas (third most common direct cause of cave diving fatalities)

Failure to use at least 3 lights (major factor)

Solo diving (contributing factor)

It was my understanding from class that all cave deaths have occurred as a result of one of the above with the exception of 1, and that was due to a cave in. (please correct me if I'm wrong)

Jason

[Gary]

Solo diving (contributing factor)

It was my understanding from class that all cave deaths have occurred as a result of one of the above with the exception of 1, and that was due to a cave in. (please correct me if I'm wrong)

So what did the autopsy report on the solo diving death say?
That the diver died of lonelyness?

Not likely.

[Jason B.]

Solo diving (contributing factor)

It was my understanding from class that all cave deaths have occurred as a result of one of the above with the exception of 1, and that was due to a cave in. (please correct me if I'm wrong)

So what did the autopsy report on the solo diving death say?
That the diver died of lonelyness?

Not likely.

I can't tell you that as I was just relaying what is in the book. Maybe he needed to share air and had no one to do it with (guessing).
That said, my instructor did say that 90% of his cave dives are solo.