Sad but true

[Mart]

Hi Patrick, last year I came across a lot of arrows for a very low price. As I had no need for such a large quantity I brought 500 to Mexico and sold them to Robbie for the same price I paid. I don't know if he used them all, but if he has not I am sure he could pass them on to you.
And I can bring what I have left in december when I am in Tulum again, I think I have 100 or so left.

[Aktun]

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And who knows, maybe in 10 years we will all be telling our students and clients stories about the line wars, and they will love it

10 year ago in the Harry Averill former web site used to exist an article about "the mexico line arrows war" .
The issue is Old.
david

[phillip1]

Why not publicly expose vandal #1 and start an organized petition to be sent to the respective cave training agencies and make the entire process 100% public so as to "embarrass" the training agencies to actually act.

I may be completely wrong but it is my understanding that vandal #1 is an active and prominent long standing member/instructor of a large and well established US training agency and that the agency in question although fully and 100% aware of the problem having received numerous complaints and even a signed petition I think decides to turn a blind eye.

Making the whole issue publicly known may change the agencies "laziness" on the issue, IMO systematically replacing people's line arrows by your own is not only unacceptable and a sign of some kind of serious mental imbalance, but it is above all creating a potentially dangerous situation too that IMO needs to be dealt with in a serious way.

This is not a line war of my cave VS your cave but an individual who has some kind of mental issue and feels compelled to change arrows around.

This is kind of like as if someone systematically keeps switching critical traffic signs around for no apparent reason and with no warning.

[Texas Torpedo]

Sorry to read this is still going strong.. I thought the "pink arrow guy" wasn't in MX as much any longer..?
I'm down for donating $$$ for the arrows but it would be nice to know that they won't all just turn into fodder for this dispute.

[mdax]

I've got an even better suggestion
How about since villa de la Rosas initially provided the crappy arrows for the line/arrow wars that their customers demand they provide new non advertising arrows to set things right

[odin]

Maybe Doug Chappell will be willing to part with some of his pink arrows as he will be down in a few months.

[sskasser]

Maybe Doug Chappell will be willing to part with some of his pink arrows as he will be down in a few months.

ROFLMAO...Chappell is going to be SO happy with you for suggesting that

[RN]

Why not publicly expose vandal #1 and start an organized petition to be sent to the respective cave training agencies and make the entire process 100% public so as to "embarrass" the training agencies to actually act.

I may be completely wrong but it is my understanding that vandal #1 is an active and prominent long standing member/instructor of a large and well established US training agency and that the agency in question although fully and 100% aware of the problem having received numerous complaints and even a signed petition I think decides to turn a blind eye.

Making the whole issue publicly known may change the agencies "laziness" on the issue, IMO systematically replacing people's line arrows by your own is not only unacceptable and a sign of some kind of serious mental imbalance, but it is above all creating a potentially dangerous situation too that IMO needs to be dealt with in a serious way.

Care to enlighten everyone on what standards are being violated for the agencies to act on?

I'm not taking sides here. I don't know enough about the situation to do that. But I do know the standards pretty well and what I have read about the situation standards are not being violated. It's not really appropriate to state the agencies are lazy when there's nothing that can be done. Unless you know something no one else knows.

[CaveBuddy95]

lets turn a blind eye!

[RN]

You're missing the point, Jason. I'm not saying turn a blind eye. But don't lay blame where it isn't deserved. Rather, try to find a solution. Ask any US attorney what the agencies could do and they'll tell you nothing under the current standards. Taking action would just open them up to a lawsuit.