Quarterly Online Air Quality Results - Post Them Up!

[Sludge]

We're 200 miles from the coast. 99% of the air pumped at our shop is breathed in our pool.

[Puttzer]

I'm confused.

If the shops are regulated and inspected by the state, why do we need to see the state reports online?

[Jim Wyatt]

I'm confused.

If the shops are regulated and inspected by the state, why do we need to see the state reports online?

They are regulated in that there is a statutory requirement to test gas quarterly, no one from the state ensures it is done. I started posting my air quality results from our club compressor online a few years ago.

if you look at the latest UWS you can see the last test results in there.

[skip]

I think you're muck-raising over a non-issue. How often does someone get a "bad" gas fill? And don't give me that pat saucy reply that if it saves one person nonsense. Besides, state inspection records are open to the public; so if you want to know just ask them. Then build your website - no need to go to each dive shop accusing them of bad air if they don't give you what you want. If you came to our shop you'd be tossed out on your ear with no hesitation. This kind of thing only invites trouble. I'm not saying you are pushy or a bad guy, just that there is no good diplomatic way to go about this and no real need, just more interference with small businesses in a time when dive shops are folding right and left already.

skip

[JahJahwarrior]

Posting test results on the internet doesn't mean the results are bad or nonexistent, any more than the fact that many divers aren't on the internet makes them bad or nonexistent

I agree, it is nice when a dive shop posts those results and especially nice when they tell you when and how they test. Heck, I'd love videos from the shop showing what's going on, maybe a live feed of the fill station. But, as long as the gas is nice and clean, I don't need any of that. It's easy enough to just go and check their results while you are getting a fill.

I'm not sure what approach you are taking when you call shops. If someone called me and demanded I do something, I'd probably assume it was a crank call and hang up. Perhaps you should be more diplomatic. Explain who you are and why the dive shop should talk to you. Explain that you run a website compiling air test results from dive shops. You create a web page for each shop, where you list the name of the shop, their prices, contact information, and address, with a link to their website. You'll host that all for free in exchange for a picture of their quarterly test results sent to you within a week of them getting the certificate, and an explanation of when and how they test. Sell them on the idea of it being a win-win, how they will benefit. Don't think of yourself as some righteous crusader of the dive world.

Also keep in mind that testing doesn't always catch bad gas. It's a quarterly test, and sometimes things break in between. Much easier to test for massive problems by having a fill monkey breath a few breaths off a regulator connected permanently to a fill line before he gives a fill. Heck that might not be a bad idea, having a reg there for customers to breathe the undiluted gas before they have their tanks filled.

Gotta take your hats off for businesses like CEE, who, when a customer complained that a tank filled there quite a while before was bad gas, shut down for a week and sent gas off to be tested and cleaned a lot of stuff just to be sure, even though the gas sample came back perfectly fine and the bad gas was from years before. That kind of customer service doesn't need a certificate posted online to appreciate.

[mdax]

"non issue" i wonder if Lamar or others hurt would agree.

"toss me out on my ear" that's a hoot

I'm not accusing shops of bad air if they don't give me what i want. I just refuse to spend any money at their business and will support competitors that are open with results.

Skip, what shop do you frequent that would become physical when asked a logical question about what i PAY FOR and requested their cooperation so i could evaluate data points supporting good gas?

"no real need" we totally disagree

and yea, i'm not "trying to save one person". I'm REALLY into self preservation however my interests include my buddy..so that'd be "trying to save TWO people".

Like i've said previously, it would be even more entertaining to aggregate your response and the other emotionally based reactions made by folks who get angry by my requests.

I do not accuse, slander or holler at anyone and only become physical in the ring or on the mat...or in self defense of course. I'm an ex Army Ranger and treat people with respect, talk calmly and behave in a disciplined manner until there is a need not to...you won't find folks whom i've treated badly.

so what's the logical reason to not follow this progression again?
1. post air quality results on the net
2. install an inline CO detector

I'm mystified at why there is any resistance or why this concept doesn't come from the dive shops in the first place. It's a matter of health and safety..something that requires very little work to distinguish themselves in tough economic times.

[FW]

..fact that many divers aren't on the internet makes them bad or nonexistent ...

What! You mean not every diver is on the internet?

[Tegg]

Any shop with MS Paint can make a cert to throw online... Seriously... Why the hoopla over it?

[JahJahwarrior]

So, a shop that does post their results out in the open for anyone to read at the fill station is not being open with their results?

You are accusing shops that do not post information online of being closed with their information.

There is no need for the information to be on the internet if it is available at the shop. It's nice, but not necessary.

I have a feeling there'd be less resistance if you changed your approach. You seem very brash in your posts online. You make demands, not requests. You see yourself as a crusader, when what you really need to be is a salesman, you have to sell dive shops on your "product."

I agree with you that it would be nice to have the information online, and I'm only trying to help you see the other side of the coin so you can change your approach and make headway instead of enemies.

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Dang skip, I guess Lamar English and Barney's posts both fell on deaf ears.




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