Formal CCR cave crossover training
Mentored by exerienced CCR cave diver
Experienced in both cave and CCR individually; no need for training
CCRs don't belong in caves
Don't use CCR in caves but might in the future
It may well be that ginnie springs is requiring a cave/ccr if you wish to dive ccr in "their" cave. Being cave with a ccr card may not work the next time you wish to ccr at ginnie. If you want to dive ccr at ginnie than that might be a satisfactory reason. I am wondering if there will soon also be a sidemount ccr card given the volume of sidemounting ccr divers i ran into last week. BillOriginally Posted by harmstrong
Last edited by wingman; 03-23-2011 at 09:20 PM. Reason: typos
"With regard to cave diving, the great thing is to be carried where you could not have imagined you would ever be, and then to come back alive."
"Wilderness. The word itself is music." Abbey, Desert Solitaire
I was previously one of the naysayers for not needing additional CCR Cave training. I am an experienced full cave diver and a long time CCR instructor. I finally decided that I would give the CCR Cave class a try more out of curiosity than anything else. I can truly say that I found the class challenging and informative. I guess I was just a little to stuck on myself previously to admit that I could still learn something from a Cave CCR instructor. I was wrong! I'm glad I took the class. As with all of these types of things, it mostly depends on the instructor. Mine was excellent!
Randy Thornton
CCR Cave Instructor, CCR Instructor Trainer
TDI Training Advisory Panel member
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Keeping their name a secret?
Do you have to have a CCR Cave Instructor on the same type of unit that you dive, or is it unit agnostic. I would think same rig would be ideal, but not required.
Just curious in case I decided to go that route.
Cheers,
Jeff
Depends on the agency. For IANTD, the CCR Cave Instructor just needs to have diver level cert for your particular CCR. TDI requires that they are a CCR Instructor for your particular CCR.Keeping their name a secret?
Do you have to have a CCR Cave Instructor on the same type of unit that you dive, or is it unit agnostic. I would think same rig would be ideal, but not required.
Just curious in case I decided to go that route.
Cheers,
Jeff
Phil Short is one CCR Cave Instructor that I would highly recommend. My son, Josh Thornton is also an excellent CCR Cave Instructor.
Randy Thornton
CCR Cave Instructor, CCR Instructor Trainer
TDI Training Advisory Panel member
www.diveaddicts.com
www.sub-gravity.com
www.tekdiveusa.com
This is already happening in our local Ojamo mine, if you want to use your unit you need to be CCR Cave even if you are OC cave, well the guy who made the rule is the only CCR Cave instructor in Scandinavia.
I sat last week CCR Cave theories in FL and at least that part was very informative for dive planning, in water they went throw all basic skill in confined water and then did some dives with same ccr skills and bail out training with 1,5 gas rule (team bail out)
So at least minimum would go over bail out management in cave, this then could be done by more experienced ccr cave diver, not against formal training tough
Just my personal opion
Teppo
The main reasons are bailout planning, and solving minor CCR issues several thousand feet from the nearest entrance.
To quote the late Rory Dickens (at the first NSS-CDS instructors meeting in 1979):
"Anyone can teach themselves anything, but learning it from someone who has already done it is more efficient".
Forrest,
With all due respect, bailout planning is taught in CCR courses, not to mention the fact that as a cave diver of some 10+ (and over 1000 cave dives, most of which were long and deep) years experience, I have gas planning skills and experience. Personally I agree with the previous poster who feels that most CCR divers don't carry enough bailout. We (the folks I dive with- all on CCR) carry 100% of the bailout per person for the dive. Is that a lot of crap to carry? Yes, it is. Has a fatality ever been attributed to carrying too much gas? Not one that I am aware of. As for solving problems 1000's of feet from the nearest entrance - it's no different from solving them several hundred feet under the ocean, which we also routinely do.
Has something changed? We had a conversation with Rose several summers ago where she indicated that they had no plans to require a cave CCR card. She reached out to us after we were denied entry by one of the (as per the usual) untrained counter kids.
FWIW, I dove there last month with just a Cave Card and a separate CCR Card. They wrote CCR Cave on my band too.
Bailout planning as in "TEAM BAILOUT" a no thanks I'll pass.
RAL
What me worry?
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