This is why the attitude...

[Sludge]

maybe it would be you avoiding me...

Do you know more than three chords?

[AB8CD]

Do you know more than three chords?

Yes. But I have forgotten more than I play now... it is a marriage thing.

[OneBrightGator]

Jim-not to be overly morbid but you left out a few accidents and incidents that would reinforce your point. I guess the question we keep asking is why do we keep having to relearn these lessons,over,and over again.....

thats human nature

So is cave diving today as safe as it's going to get?

The sport/activity has come a long way since its inception, is this the best we can do?

[ScubaRob]

Link doesn't work ... Try this http://owenpetchey.staff.shef.ac.uk/...Spring2005.pdf

Great article thanks for recommending it James, and thanks for making it available lowvoltguy.

[RN]

Then, there's a bit of concern knowing he's already stage diving without understanding of stage math, as his instructor pointed out-

Where did you get the impression Adam is stage diving?? AFAIK, the only stage dive he has done was the one during cave class. Carrying a stage doesn't equal doing a stage dive.

I've spent a lot of time with Adam in the water and on the surface. If I felt he was being unsafe in any way, I'd be the first one to call him out on it. I've turned away divers because I got bad vibes over the phone. I've held back certifications because of concerns with divers' skills/attitudes. Maybe because I know Adam I'm reading more into his posts than others (in the opposite direction of others), but I'm as sure as I can be without going on every dive with him that the dives he's doing are conservative and safe.

[Kelly Jessop]

So is cave diving today as safe as it's going to get?

The sport/activity has come a long way since its inception, is this the best we can do?

We can't fix stupid.

[bletso]

Nor can we plan for it or design around it. Why we keep trying I will never know. All the bells and whistles in the universe won't prevent stupidity.

Dale

[Jay]

How do you explain the deaths of several very experienced divers with thousands of dives and years under their belt?

Just Curious, but who or what incident(s) are you referring to? Typically these incidents are all a bit different with the only common thread being poor decision making or perhaps a health issue.

[DA Aquamaster]

How do you explain the deaths of several very experienced divers with thousands of dives and years under their belt?

The only cave diver I am aware of with thousands of years under his belt is Forrest - and he's still alive.

[Leslie Sapp]

The only cave diver I am aware of with thousands of years under his belt is Forrest

There's a rumor out there that Forrest was sump diving in Peacock when the glaciers melted and filled it.