Wisconsin cave diving!

[Ken Hill]

- it makes you almost paranoid that you need to be critical of everything you see put out.

Yup!

[Tamara Thomsen]

Forrest- I did see the chlorhexidine post! I sent some follow up questions about it to a chemist friend, and a microbiologist friend downtown at the University of Wisconsin to get opinions on whether it may be effective on geomyces. They were going to spend a little time looking at it and come up with possible other options and conclusions before I offer that up to my DNR friends. I'll let you know what they come back to me with!

[FW]

Forrest- I did see the chlorhexidine post! I sent some follow up questions about it to a chemist friend, and a microbiologist friend downtown at the University of Wisconsin to get opinions on whether it may be effective on geomyces. They were going to spend a little time looking at it and come up with possible other options and conclusions before I offer that up to my DNR friends. I'll let you know what they come back to me with!

I hope you have good luck!! It would solve one problem, but it would be better for all of us, if they would reverse their decision.

[Ken Hill]

I hope you have good luck!! It would solve one problem, but it would be better for all of us, if they would reverse their decision.

Forrest,

My suggestion is to have the DNR REVISE their decision! When speaking "BU-Speak" a reversal is a lose/lose for the bureaucrat as it indicates a bad decision. The change is something recognized as something forced on them and may be something not allowed by federal guidelines. It is far easier to ask them to REVISE their protocols ... giving them the out saying they made a "good" choice even better as it addresses local issues.

What I see is a potential problem for everything bureaucratic and outside the "cookie cutter." With mandates from DC based on the executive powers of the new "Czars" bypassing legislators in Washington there is no longer the customary check and balance. Federal Department and Bureau power is spreading to the states via the in-house protocols and to enforce it they tie it to funding. Cash strapped states either fall in line or lose $$$$$.

[Garyd]

Forrest- I did see the chlorhexidine post! I sent some follow up questions about it to a chemist friend, and a microbiologist friend downtown at the University of Wisconsin to get opinions on whether it may be effective on geomyces. They were going to spend a little time looking at it and come up with possible other options and conclusions before I offer that up to my DNR friends. I'll let you know what they come back to me with!

Tami- Chlorhexadine Gluconate is the active ingredient in Hibiclens so at least we're already familiar with it. Hope it turns out to be an effective agent. We appreciate all you are doing!

[Tamara Thomsen]

http://dnr.wi.gov/org/nrboard/2010/December/12-10-NRB-Brief-of-Action.pdf


From page 3-
"...Ms. Wiley requested the Department craft a release form for use by landowners and cavers to certify that cave gear and/or cave diving gear used outside the state of Wisconsin had been properly decontaminated prior to use in Wisconsin caves. ...

[FW]

http://dnr.wi.gov/org/nrboard/2010/December/12-10-NRB-Brief-of-Action.pdf

From page 3-
"...Ms. Wiley requested the Department craft a release form for use by landowners and cavers to certify that cave gear and/or cave diving gear used outside the state of Wisconsin had been properly decontaminated prior to use in Wisconsin caves. ...

Like the landowner would have a clue

[Garyd]

Tami- Chlorhexadine Gluconate is the active ingredient in Hibiclens so at least we're already familiar with it. Hope it turns out to be an effective agent. We appreciate all you are doing!

Another possibility would be Virkon:
http://www.duboisdistributors.com/ca...showprevnext=1
Which is active against bacteria viruses and fungi.

[FW]

Another possibility would be Virkon:
http://www.duboisdistributors.com/ca...showprevnext=1
Which is active against bacteria viruses and fungi.

There are a lot of things that kill fungi, but are thy safe for dive gear?

[poppol]

Vircon, is one of the recommended product to clean the rebreather. I hope is safe for dive gear . However, you need to rinse well. I really don't know on dry suit, maybe not so bad for once, not for repeat ???

Paul