Here's a caving rule people need to QUIT FOLLOWING!

[OFG-1]

Word of note,that once trash has been in place for a substantial time,it can become the home of troglobitic species.

Kelly, does that mean that Jimmy Castor is living back there now?????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgktcySf_aw

[Kelly Jessop]

Kelly, does that mean that Jimmy Castor is living back there now?????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgktcySf_aw

No,but I have it on good authority that Hoffa is back there.

[Sludge]

Troglobite, troglodyte, whatever...

[Texas Torpedo]

For those of us who have not been back there yet, could someone post a few pics (if you have them)?

Thanks,
David

[FW]

For those of us who have not been back there yet, could someone post a few pics (if you have them)?

Thanks,
David

Before of after all the trash was removed?

FYI, that stoplight wasn't always sitting up on that rock so nicely.

[LiteHedded]

the trash has been there for 40 years? lol
that's less than a blink of an eye in geologic time and makes it no more significant to me than the shoe I saw at lafayette blue or the beer cans at telford.
not that it's not kinda cool seeing trash 2000' back or whatever. but I wouldn't be sad if someone removed it all and returned the cave to a close approximation of its natural state.

[b1gcountry]

Thanks for the history lesson everyone.

[chilldive]

I dry cave in a system that unfortunately has quite a bit of graffiti in it. Some of it legitimately dates back to the early 1900's and some is very recent. Given all this discussion, should we concentrate on just cleaning up the stuff that is newer than 40 yrs? Or should we leave it because in 40 yrs it will be cool to the new kids? Forget the cave, it's all about the manmade stuff. (I'm just playing devil's advocate, I actually think the Trash Room is cool just cause you don't expect it that far back).

[LiteHedded]

well it's a weird thing. if it were archeologically significant, like the clay pottery sheck found at friedman's (and removed apparently), I'd say leave it.
but then do we leave the beer cans and hypodermic needles in the cave until they become significant as well? lol

[mag3]

well it's a weird thing. if it were archeologically significant, like the clay pottery sheck found at friedman's (and removed apparently), I'd say leave it.

Or "Cave Diver" historically significant... like "The Bats" or the "Coffee cups" in Nahoch (those that remain)... etc. etc.