Ginnie Line Committee

[ScubaRob]

I have some questions for the line committee. Could some one steer me to someone on the committee.

Thanks,
Rob,

[ScubaRob]

I left a cookie at the end of the Bone Room Tunnel in hopes of completing a circuit next time I was at Ginnie. The cookie was left 3 weeks ago. Yesterday we attempted to complete our circuit only to find my cookie missing.

I am assuming my cookie was removed as part of normal line maintenance. What are the policies on how long markers can be left on the line?

Thanks,
Rob,

[Kelly Jessop]

Hope you find the answer to your question,but I doubt there is a formal policy. More likely you had a Ginnie regular who saw it there for a couple weeks,and removed it.

[Mark Vlahos]

I would agree with Kelly.

--WARNING-- --PERSONAL OPINION--. I would expect that a cookie left in any cave should be left there undisturbed for a week. At three weeks I would not rely on it to be there, unless you left some sort of expiration date.

The Bone Room is a common place to see cookies, and is fairly heavily traveled.

Mark Vlahos

[caverkevin]

Could also be a possibility that the marker got knocked off the line during those three weeks. Bone Room is one of those places with higher traffic and training dives taking place.

If you look around the ceiling of the cave you will find plastic arrows and markers floating at the ceiling. Along with glo-stick tubes and other plastic bits. I found a red arrow while poking around the cave the other day. Who knows how it got there.

Cheers!!

Kevin

[cmalinowski]

Could also be a possibility that the marker got knocked off the line during those three weeks. Bone Room is one of those places with higher traffic and training dives taking place.

If you look around the ceiling of the cave you will find plastic arrows and markers floating at the ceiling. Along with glo-stick tubes and other plastic bits. I found a red arrow while poking around the cave the other day. Who knows how it got there.

Cheers!!

Kevin

Rookie question: Do cookies and arrows that are put on properly really fall off that easily? I could imagine that if you did the one-handed attachment method and were still not real great at it that it could possibly not seat into the "grooves." But if it's attached correctly how does it get knocked off?

Thanks,
Chris

[L.A.]

Rookie question: Do cookies and arrows that are put on properly really fall off that easily?

No, but cookies/arrows/clothespins that languish will disappear.

[JahJahwarrior]

The majority of lost arrows are probably not ones left on a line, but ones that fall off the surgical tubing or whatnot that a diver stores them on. I once found two arrows from the same diver floating above Hill400, and I seriously doubt he put two arrows on the line that both floated off, and also didn't notice them floating on the ceiling.


3 weeks is a long time to leave a marker in a high volume cave like Ginnie, and the Bone Room is such a short circuit, I'm surprised you needed a cookie. It's pretty easy to use a feature of the cave as a cookie, in this case, the Mapleleaf. Much more reliable than a piece of movable, breakable, losable plastic on a movable, breakable, replaceable piece of rope.

[DonJ]

JahJah - They really need to consult you before writing the next editions of the training manuals. We are pretty lucky that all the wisdom you have accumulated from all of your years of diving makes it from your brain to the keyboard.

[JahJahwarrior]

JahJah - They really need to consult you before writing the next editions of the training manuals. We are pretty lucky that all the wisdom you have accumulated from all of your years of diving makes it from your brain to the keyboard.

Just think how unlucky all you poor saps would be, if you didn't have me here to tell you that sometimes, knowing the cave is more important than relying on a piece of plastic to save your life.

The beautiful thing about a sport that requires thought is, you don't HAVE to suck at it.