Jeff Hancock's Devils map is available......

[Gary]

I was not trying to infringe on his rights by asking someone to let me see a pic of it. I was trying to get someone to advertise it so that maybe some people would buy it.

I don' think a distant picture from so far that you can't make anything out or a section of the cave that everyone already has are going to advertise Jeff's map well.

Word of mouth from those who have the map that say it's the best map out there and a very good map for the money and won't make a copy of it for anyone else, ever, under any circumstances, is the advertising plan.

On that subject:
I have an copy of it and it's a very good map (even though mine doesn't have the lines included). I've also seen the 3'x4' final version and it is the best, most complete map out there of this system. I have dove nearly every passage on it and compared it with my knowledge of the system and find it to be EXCELLENT.

The style is Jeff's own and he knows more about that cave then anyone else I've ever met. (Did you know he's got roughly 1500 dives in that system?) To me it also just feels right. There is more a sense of the passages bending "right" in his map - the way I draw a map in my head. Jeff's map contains more information about more of the cave and better accuracy then any other map of the system I've seen - plus the way the lines are laid out which no other map out there has.

The price is roughly the same as the 2 halves of the Steve Berman map.

If I were you and wanted a map of the system I'd get the small public map to keep in the back of the dive vehicle and wait until you get down to see the big one. If you are a real fan of the system and want something nice to hang (and have enough free wall space) consider buying the big one.

[Rich]

[Rich]

sorry double post

[Rich]

[As for being insulted from the responses. Hell yes I am insulted and offended. Someone insinuates and implies that I am trying to STEAL and pirate someones copyrighted work. Wouldn't you be insulted. Oh thats right Rich wasn't insinuating anything, Bull $#!@. If you are going to do it then at least have the balls to admit it.

I too am sorry for sounding short and irritated. I am just shaking my head ruefully at this whole thing.

I hate to break it to you but you weren't the only one asking for a pic.....however you are the only one that went off the deep end about me not taking one for you.....

Jeff doesn't give a crap about whether you buy his map, he doesn't need to advertise it, it speaks for itself.......frankly I don't know why you'd need it any ways, you seem to have far more fun being petty and self-righteous about some perceived innuendos on the net!!

My advice would be to actually go out and do some cave dives instead of bitching on a forum. If you get the urge to come up here to cave country, I'd be more than happy to show you around Devil's (with or without looking at the map) and believe me, if I thought you were trying to steal my friend's map I'd let you know......I don't have a problem saying what's on my mind as my friends can attest....

Safe diving,

Rich

[curtschu]

Man How about locking this thread down. What a waste of time all the hard feeling. I say drop it all and go diving. But since it looks like everything is getting pretty ugly.... Anyone got a big boat.. let find some wrecks!!!!and act British for a while.

[Dan Thoms]

Jeff just stopped by the shop with his new Devil's Eye cave maps.......They are of the full cave system and are not divided into a front half and a back half.....if you'd like to see what they look like, I have one and will be more than happy to let people see it.....

He's putting out 500 of the limited edition, handsigned, numbered, original versions that he submitted to the Library of Congress at a cost of $120 each plus tax. These will be available only through Larry and Debra Green.

In 6 weeks he will be putting out a "tourist" version which will have "the Devil" on it and some "pretty pictures" (inserts) on it etc and these will also be available only through Larry and Debra Green for a cost of approximately $70 plus tax.

Anyways, hope y'all are having a great day and as always....

Safe diving,

Rich

How do we get ahold of Larry or Debra? To obtain one, before they are gone?

Thanks

[Rich]

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How do we get ahold of Larry or Debra? To obtain one, before they are gone?

Thanks

Hiya Dan!!

They're out of town for the weekend, but they'll be back next week! You can reach them at [email protected]

Hope this helps

Safe diving,

Rich

[Dan Thoms]

Thank-you Sir.

[Doctor Evil]

Ha, Ha. WORD!.. ah' know gots da map on mah' new electronic haids down display attached t'my scoota' so when I'm zippin' drough ah' can tell where I'm at even wid out lights.