Originally Posted by scububa
Sticker-Shock???
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Sticker-Shock???
I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other.
...Sometimes you have to give them enough rope to hang themselves, sometimes you have to use that rope as a Garrotte!..
Great job on the filming and diving. I enjoyed the scientific side of it all. I could certainly have enjoyed it just as much if they played background music instead of talking the sensationalist stuff, but it was not my money. I can't wait to make it over that direction myself one day.
Nope, one out of ten RB diver's did not tell their wife before purchasing said RB... They never said they died while in the water.
Cheers,
Jeff
Love It!
Joseph
There is no limit. We'll always find a way to go deeper and deeper. That's been the pattern all along.
--Sheck Exley
If you missed the show, you can watch all 52 minutes of it in a little box on your computer at:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1405567128/
Another thing that struck me, is there they were, diving with incredibly complex, high tech rebreathers, but taking Sterilite boxes and milk crates in to the caves to collect their samples!
Land of Enchantment -- not so great for cave diving, but mighty scenic!
Fer real...they didn't use near enough duct tape or zip ties...and they call themselves cave diversIf you missed the show, you can watch all 52 minutes of it in a little box on your computer at:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1405567128/
Another thing that struck me, is there they were, diving with incredibly complex, high tech rebreathers, but taking Sterilite boxes and milk crates in to the caves to collect their samples!
Like a few others have mentioned from their perspectives. I have worked in television from time to time. The sensationalism sells soap. I might have expected a bit more from PBS, but it is still television.
I am really glad my wife was not in the room when the footage of the 70's era divers remains were shown. Good mentions about the lack of redundancy in his gear configuration, probably enough detail for the general public, but I might have liked some more detail about how things have change in modern cave diving.
The place to make our objections know is at the Producer level. They hire the writers, and have final say on the general tone of a work, as well as the details. In my opinion they dropped the ball on the stuff we all noticed. The continuity mistakes did aggravate me, but I understood how they happen.
The quality of the camera work was excellent. It is really hard to light for footage like this, and I think you guys did an excellent job given all of the limitations that there are on a project like this one. In a commercial motion picture things are different, meaning that they can throw money at a problem. It does not always mean that the problem gets solved, just that there are usually more resources at the Director of Photography's disposal.
I saved it on my DVR, although there were some digital transmission pixelation issues. The storm last night might have had a little to do with that.
Kudos to those here who worked on the project. I know what parts you were responsible for and those parts looked great. The next time I watch it I might just turn the sound OFF. Then it would be a lot closer to what it sounds like when I am in a cave.
Mark Vlahos
10 in 10 of cave divers dies someday bummer... What camera stabilization is used to capture clips like this? Gyro-stabilized platform? Is is camera integrated or housing integrated? How many divers total needed to shoot scenes like those? How often gyroscopes are charged...Are lights pre-set or carried by support? What power lights are used?
No offense to the divers, but I am not so sure it was a positive message.
1. Showing a dead diver.
2. Talking about cave ins.
3. One out of every ten rebreathers sold kill someone.
4. Twenty cave divers a year die.
5. Deadly hydrogen sulfide.
6. Most dangerous sport in the world.
Makes us all sound crazy... Good for picking up a chick in a bar, but the kinda chicks I used to try and pick up in bars didn't know what PBS was.
All the card collectors will be showing up in droves...this is just what they want. They will take a class, maybe pass it and never cave dive again. Then the'll move onto chasing a wheel of cheese down a hill or trying to outrun bulls. But they can puff their chest out at cocktail parties and tell everybody how bad-ass they are.No offense to the divers, but I am not so sure it was a positive message.
1. Showing a dead diver.
2. Talking about cave ins.
3. One out of every ten rebreathers sold kill someone.
4. Twenty cave divers a year die.
5. Deadly hydrogen sulfide.
6. Most dangerous sport in the world.
Makes us all sound crazy... Good for picking up a chick in a bar, but the kinda chicks I used to try and pick up in bars didn't know what PBS was.
It's bad luck to be superstitious.
I wonder if they could be using image stabilization (electronic processing) versus a gyro based unit.
When you're there you know there's a There there.
Jobst Brandt
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