Please Remove - "I have left the cave" note in Ginnie.

[FW]

The problem, as I see it Red, is that such notes are intended to be used for emergencies. This wasn't an emergency. Irrespective of the fact that it may have caused someone to overstay their welcome in the cave due to looking for a diver who wasn't there, it also desensitizes people to the urgency that such a note would convey if it were a real emergency ... in other words, what are the odds that the time a diver places such a note for real, it gets taken by those in a position to help as another joke?

There's a time and a place for humor ... this doesn't appear to be an appropriate place for it. If you and your friends were the only ones using the cave, maybe I'd see it differently ... but there's people in there who take such things seriously, and respond accordingly, at increased risk to themselves and their team.

That, at least, is the perspective of a cave newb who would definitely have taken that note as a sign that somebody was in trouble ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Well stated

[Reddiver]

The problem, as I see it Red, is that such notes are intended to be used for emergencies. This wasn't an emergency. Irrespective of the fact that it may have caused someone to overstay their welcome in the cave due to looking for a diver who wasn't there, it also desensitizes people to the urgency that such a note would convey if it were a real emergency ... in other words, what are the odds that the time a diver places such a note for real, it gets taken by those in a position to help as another joke?

There's a time and a place for humor ... this doesn't appear to be an appropriate place for it. If you and your friends were the only ones using the cave, maybe I'd see it differently ... but there's people in there who take such things seriously, and respond accordingly, at increased risk to themselves and their team.

That, at least, is the perspective of a cave newb who would definitely have taken that note as a sign that somebody was in trouble ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Point taken. And thank you for input.

[HappyHacker]

Ok you judge. Dose this look like a note left by and diver in a emergency or have a little fun. And tell me say that the note was NOT to be lefted in for more then a few hours that is it. I'm sorry that one took it the wrong way. But then you be the judge. I know that first impressions or golden but now you can judge by reading it for or self. If you would of read it and seen it the next day it should of been pulled. It was not easy getting back from the team that pulled it so they gave me a pic only. I was going to pull it but somebody got Ginnie all worked up over it and made it a big deal. So hear it is you judge it.

I absolutely agree with others here that this is wrong.

[chilldive]

Ok you judge. Dose this look like a note left by and diver in a emergency or have a little fun. And tell me say that the note was NOT to be lefted in for more then a few hours that is it. I'm sorry that one took it the wrong way. But then you be the judge. I know that first impressions or golden but now you can judge by reading it for or self. If you would of read it and seen it the next day it should of been pulled. It was not easy getting back from the team that pulled it so they gave me a pic only. I was going to pull it but somebody got Ginnie all worked up over it and made it a big deal. So hear it is you judge it.

Ok, I think we got the point across and it has been accepted. And not to beat the dead horse, but another thought is that I'd prefer not to have to stop and read notes, then try to determine if it's a joke or not. If I see a note like that, I'm going to act. No different than if I cross paths with another team and they wave their lights at me in distress, I'm going to help. Nuff said. Dive safe.

[WJH]

The problem, as I see it Red, is that such notes are intended to be used for emergencies. This wasn't an emergency. Irrespective of the fact that it may have caused someone to overstay their welcome in the cave due to looking for a diver who wasn't there, it also desensitizes people to the urgency that such a note would convey if it were a real emergency ... in other words, what are the odds that the time a diver places such a note for real, it gets taken by those in a position to help as another joke?

There's a time and a place for humor ... this doesn't appear to be an appropriate place for it. If you and your friends were the only ones using the cave, maybe I'd see it differently ... but there's people in there who take such things seriously, and respond accordingly, at increased risk to themselves and their team.

That, at least, is the perspective of a cave newb who would definitely have taken that note as a sign that somebody was in trouble ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

That was a beautiful way to put it, Bob. The act was an asinine thing to have done, and now having seen the note any doubt has been removed. Unforgivable.

Think, people!

WJH

[rblackburn]

Ok you judge. Dose this look like a note left by and diver in a emergency or have a little fun. And tell me say that the note was NOT to be lefted in for more then a few hours that is it. I'm sorry that one took it the wrong way. But then you be the judge. I know that first impressions or golden but now you can judge by reading it for or self. If you would of read it and seen it the next day it should of been pulled. It was not easy getting back from the team that pulled it so they gave me a pic only. I was going to pull it but somebody got Ginnie all worked up over it and made it a big deal. So hear it is you judge it.

Keep in mind that it was only 2 months ago that we had a fatality in the Devil's system, where a diver did exit leaving his buddy after a siltout situation. Not criticizing the diver then, just pointing out the non-humor of the note

[JahJahwarrior]

So Sludge, we've heard your thoughts on trash in the cave. Care to comment on Reddiver's grammar?


The note is hole punched which on the surface might lead me to realize it was a joke, but then again, it is always possible divers keep a prewritten note with line attached and everything with them. The matches don't necessarily look like matches, look more like sticks. Especially when a diver is under any narcotic effects of their breathing gas, and the stress of being in a cave environment, and in a cave where a fatality occurred recently, I can see how this would be confusing.

However, I really think people get a bit too worked up over this, just like I think it was crazy how people were making threats several months back in the "touching the stage bottle" thread on TDS. We know that these kinds of jokes are unacceptable, so lets move on, and forget about it like we do with everything that doesn't really matter in the long run. In cave country sometimes it seems you can't do anything without being crucified for it somewhere by someone.

[Sludge]

Care to comment on Reddiver's grammar?

He owns a Clear G-250. How can I criticise him?