NonAccident Analysis

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The thread and dive report by IowaCaveDiver prompted me to post the question of what leads a diver to the particular gear configuration they adopt for a particular dive. Here's a copy of one of the posts:

"I've posted in dive reports a request from matt just on the mistake of carrying one spool. The idea is that by exploring the thoughts (or lack thereof) that led to the one-spool gear configuration a sort of Non-accident Analysis can take place. Accident Analysis suffers from the lack of a control group or adequate comparisons, which would be an analysis of those situations in which people survive (despite problems with the potential for a bad outcome). No bashing or second-guessing, but an enlightened discussion of the thoughts and actions that lead to carrying one spool might be revealing. Complacency? Tenacity? Dedicated, but Poor Planning? Maybe another thread ?"

So how about posting other "near-misses" and "lessons learned" not just the what and when, but those thoughts and attitudes, actions and behaviors that led up to that particular dive? I wonder how many are complacency (just didn't think about it beforehand), tenacity (that's how I always have done it and it worked fine before), authority (that's how I was taught), common sense (seemed reasonable to me at the time), trial and error (been working it out by trying different ways), etc.

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[FW]

I think it is a great idea. Now I just need a way to make it possible for a member to post anonymously, without having a moderator post for them.

[TommyB]

I think it is a great idea. Now I just need a way to make it possible for a member to post anonymously, without having a moderator post for them.

I can make it so that a guest can post in that section.
The issue is, they would have to log off
then make sure the board did not auto-log them back on

then post in the IRAP section as guest.
Then they would have to remember to log back on

I'll look and see if an easier way, but that would be the setup for now, until I figure something else out.

Tommy

[Gary]

I remember in the original IRAP there was kind of a survey - a number of check boxes and simple fill-ins to classify accidents.

One of the questions was "severity" of the accident. It turned out to be extremely subjective in that for some divers a simple light failure was a very serious accident while for others a failure of only one regulator was a minor nuisance.

If the survey is set up again some guidelines might be a good idea.

[Oister]

I can make it so that a guest can post in that section.

That could lead to some spam.

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I do not see the need for anonymity. is there an ethical issue here I'm not seeing or is there a belief that no will come clean if we know who they are?

How about the ability to sign in as Frogman. and Frogman can be one person or many at any given time? Then you say "everyone can read but only frogmen can post; contact the moderator X to join the frogmen." Or maybe Frogmen and Frogwomen. Then to really make it anonymous you assign gender randomly.

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[FW]

I do not see the need for anonymity. is there an ethical issue here I'm not seeing or is there a belief that no will come clean if we know who they are? ....

Some people are embarrassed to admit their mistakes, but we still need/want to analyze their incidents.

[BobK]

Some people are embarrassed to admit their mistakes, but we still need/want to analyze their incidents.

I'll admit my mistakes ! Oh, wait, you mean cave diving mistakes ? Never mind

[mdax]

I find that DeepSwim's video's on youtube are a running log of pre accident incidents worthy of analysis and it's really unique because our window into the mindset pre accident is very clear.
I was confused about where to post this video though, would you'all consider free diving around inside a cave a non accident incident or no?
at 5:10 into the video he swims away from the tanks to do a victory lap in the piano room.
Can any of you find something that tops this from a living you tube user?


Here's link if the embedded video isn't working for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4NZbsP65_Y

[ianr33]

Can any of you find something that tops this from a living you tube user?

How about this? Freediving in a deep overhead.

Difference is, this guy knows what he is doing. (As well as being rather inspirational)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrXQbucZUDA