Thanks for the new line at Hill400

[daehag]

There are always someone who work for cave community. As a diver who just enjoying 'ready to dive' tunnels, I'd like to appreciate all divers who putting effort to maintain the lines.

I noticed and checked hole new line at Hill400 today, You guys are rock!

Daehag.

[stickydeco]

THANKS Daehag! Bad Boy Jeffie and I put it in last week. It's #72, much easier to see and a little thicker in diameter than what was there. Same stuff we used to replace the white line from the end of where the Gold Line used to terminate at 3800 ft after the Hinkel down to where the "No DPV" slate is. If we have to have white line back there on that route, at least it's thicker. I think it was a big mistake to pull the gold from that route as several divers have had some navigation issues since it was removed. I think the slate, along with the fact that it is now common knowledge in the Cave Community that there are to be no DPV's back there (unless there is a good reason) is good enough!

We plan on doing Sweet Surprise and the Double Lines sometime next week.

I have never had more fun doing this line replacement gig. Jeff unties the old and then sets the new line right next to it. I follow, reeling up the old line and putting the arrows on the new as I go. We work about 100-200 feet apart. Great buoyancy practice, that's for damn sure. We made it to the Skid Row jump the first day and then on to the Double Domes jump the next. You should see how that rat's nest of a reel with the old line looks when we come out. Kind of a "Badge of Honor" to carry it out...telling folks at the platform "guess I messed my reel up."

[jj1987]

It's #72, much easier to see and a little thicker in diameter than what was there. Same stuff we used to replace the white line from the end of where the Gold Line used to terminate at 3800 ft after the Hinkel down to where the "No DPV" slate is. If we have to have white line back there on that route, at least it's thicker. I think it was a big mistake to pull the gold from that route as several divers have had some navigation issues since it was removed.

I have to ask, how does the color of the line cause a navigational issue (I'm guessing visual jumps?)?

But either way, the sign is dead obvious. If anyone scooters past it, they're knowingly breaking the rule, I fail to see what benefit white line adds. It simply seems like change for the sake of change to me.

[FW]

I have to ask, how does the color of the line cause a navigational issue (I'm guessing visual jumps?)?

The fact you have to ask tells me that the whole concept of gold line isn't working very well.

The gold line is supposed to be the "beginner" line. The idea is new divers stay on the gold line, and only have one navigation decision, in or out.

If you are scootering on gold line, and look down and see white line, the first assumption is you accidentally made a jump.

[stickydeco]

I have to ask, how does the color of the line cause a navigational issue (I'm guessing visual jumps?)?

There have been past threads on the issue but to sum, it's more a "comfort issue" than anything else for most. There are a few routes where the old gold line could be seen thru the rocks and it's just nice to know it's there! Easy to immediately identify. Plus, change sucks..haha

Jack

[Sludge]

Plus, change sucks

A truer statement cannot be made.

[jj1987]

The gold line is supposed to be the "beginner" line.

If that's the idea, we need to cut it back a lot closer to the entrance than 3100ft, no?

:run and hide:

[FW]

If that's the idea, we need to cut it back a lot closer to the entrance than 3100ft, no?

:run and hide:

I said that was the idea. My only guess about the length at Devil's Eye is, it is for beginning scooter drivers too

[aainslie]

IIRC, the rather dumb idea originally was that going to white would "scare off" a bunch of divers, reducing traffic beyond the Hinkel. Makes no sense at all.

But on the flip side, it's prett scary that anyone had "navigation issues" because of it. That's definitely a sign that someone was out of their skill zone, Jack. Perhaps someone should politely tell them either to be more careful with their jumps and cookies, or stay out of there. Getting lost in that flow is pretty tough - pretty much all you have to do to get out is find some flow, and follow it out.

[LiteHedded]

IIRC, the rather dumb idea originally was that going to white would "scare off" a bunch of divers, reducing traffic beyond the Hinkel. Makes no sense at all.

But on the flip side, it's prett scary that anyone had "navigation issues" because of it. That's definitely a sign that someone was out of their skill zone, Jack. Perhaps someone should politely tell them either to be more careful with their jumps and cookies, or stay out of there. Getting lost in that flow is pretty tough - pretty much all you have to do to get out is find some flow, and follow it out.

yea
it's ridiculous. the color of the line shouldn't enter into it at all.