I dislocated my knee when a cave collapsed on me, but out of the water after diving to get there, does that count as injured while diving?
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I dislocated my knee when a cave collapsed on me, but out of the water after diving to get there, does that count as injured while diving?
Actually you should get the irb approval before you do the research, not before you publish it. Usually survey research is exempt but it is up to the irb to say that, not the researcher. BillOriginally Posted by JahJahwarrior
"With regard to cave diving, the great thing is to be carried where you could not have imagined you would ever be, and then to come back alive."
"Wilderness. The word itself is music." Abbey, Desert Solitaire
Thanks Bill for the insight. In this case, several issues prevented this from being like "normal" research.
1. It was for a class, so I didn't have any time to wait on an IRB decision before beginning research.
2. I didn't know how the IRB defines "publishing" and didn't think that sharing research with those who contributed necessarily counted, but decided to play it safe.
3. I didn't really have any plans when I started my research initially to share it with anyone. I wanted an A in the course more than anything, and only when I started getting survey responses did I realize people might want to see what I'd done with their data, and then some others suggested that I send it to other sources for publication.
But as always, I'm more than happy to skim through the countless posts I expect for "real" researchers telling me what I did wrong, and Sludge telling me about the typo's.
some irb committees require both and more. we require the pre-research approval, the on-going review approval, the post-acceptance, and the agreement to disseminate findings. each with it's own set of forms, required signatures, deadlines.
you gotta love institutions.
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"Learning the techniques of others does not interfere with the discovery of techniques of one's own." B.F. Skinner, 1970.
You should post a very short summary in this thread. Not many people will take the time to read the whole thing.
There are some nice numbers in there.
The shoals are there still, the winds howl loud, the rain beats down, the waves burst strong. Some night, in the chill darkness, someone will make a mistake: The sea will show him no mercy. John T. Cunningham
Awesome. Thanks for posting that.
It is not your fault, rather your instructors for not letting you know what's required when you use human subjects in research in a university environment...most of the requirements flowed from the horrors and tragedies of what has happened in the name of research in the past...Thanks Bill for the insight. In this case, several issues prevented this from being like "normal" research.
1. It was for a class, so I didn't have any time to wait on an IRB decision before beginning research.
2. I didn't know how the IRB defines "publishing" and didn't think that sharing research with those who contributed necessarily counted, but decided to play it safe.
3. I didn't really have any plans when I started my research initially to share it with anyone. I wanted an A in the course more than anything, and only when I started getting survey responses did I realize people might want to see what I'd done with their data, and then some others suggested that I send it to other sources for publication.
But as always, I'm more than happy to skim through the countless posts I expect for "real" researchers telling me what I did wrong, and Sludge telling me about the typo's.
http://ohsr.od.nih.gov/guidelines/belmont.html#ethical
just send it out for "real" publication and see what happens when you do get some "real" researchers reading it...by the way what was your grade on it?
"With regard to cave diving, the great thing is to be carried where you could not have imagined you would ever be, and then to come back alive."
"Wilderness. The word itself is music." Abbey, Desert Solitaire
Thank you so much for the compliments, Bill.
I received an A on the paper, and was awarded the R Glenn Hubbard Student Research Award by the economics department at UCF. I'm sure you have heard of him.
The class wasn't designed for publication of results. As soon as I mentioned it to him, he informed me that I should have gotten IRB approval, and we began the process.
Can't compliment or fault something i have not read, just commenting on your IRB comment....congrats on the award I am sure it was well deserved...I actually have met Hubbard and was an early adopter of his principles text with O'Brien...he is currently writing an intermediate macro text that I will be a reviewer for. Still wish he had gotten the fed chairmanship...this was always funny....i play it for my principles students...you know CBS of courseThank you so much for the compliments, Bill.
I received an A on the paper, and was awarded the R Glenn Hubbard Student Research Award by the economics department at UCF. I'm sure you have heard of him.
The class wasn't designed for publication of results. As soon as I mentioned it to him, he informed me that I should have gotten IRB approval, and we began the process.
By the way...the IRB requirement is not just for research intended for publication it is for all research that uses humans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u2qRXb4xCU
Last edited by wingman; 04-02-2010 at 02:58 PM. Reason: added the irb info
"With regard to cave diving, the great thing is to be carried where you could not have imagined you would ever be, and then to come back alive."
"Wilderness. The word itself is music." Abbey, Desert Solitaire
For class purposes, no IRB permission was needed for research, since it was for a class. Professor vetted all the projects and as long as he was ok with it, you didn't have to get IRB permission separately.
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