When did it become okay to bend or break the rules?

[RN]

speaking of breaking rules, what do you think of an intro diver diving Doubles on 1/3 and using his No Deco time on 1/3 as well.....friend of mine came up with the idea, and i said i am not sure thats the best idea (adding too what experence level of an intro diver)

Better yet, how about someone diving in caves without the training or certifications but trying to pass himself off as a cave diver...

[Sludge]

using his No Deco time on 1/3 as well

I don't know what this means.

[BobK]

I don't know what this means.

No Deco Time = The time you can be underwater without having to do formal decompression.

1/3 = a part of 1, leftover after you subtract 2/3.

OTOH, If you mean what does 1/3 No Deco Time mean, I have no clue either

[Wizard]

No Deco Time = The time you can be underwater without having to do formal decompression.

1/3 = a part of 1, leftover after you subtract 2/3.

OTOH, If you mean what does 1/3 No Deco Time mean, I have no clue either

Must need to Google it or something?
Where's OFG, he knows.

On a serious note, great thread! Several good points raised.

[Atomic_Diver]

i mean diving on 1/3 with doubles, and using only 1/3 of your no deco time so as to not go into a deco dive i.e. no deco for 90' divide by 3 and only use either 1/3 air, or 1/3 of deco which ever occurs first than you turn the dive

[rjack]

i mean diving on 1/3 with doubles, and using only 1/3 of your no deco time so as to not go into a deco dive i.e. no deco for 90' divide by 3 and only use either 1/3 air, or 1/3 of deco which ever occurs first than you turn the dive

Is there any time left to dive??

I would plan to use 1/2 your no deco time in and a little less than 1/2 out. And know some contingencies to get out of the water "clean enough" should you be delayed.

[Meister481]

i mean diving on 1/3 with doubles, and using only 1/3 of your no deco time so as to not go into a deco dive i.e. no deco for 90' divide by 3 and only use either 1/3 air, or 1/3 of deco which ever occurs first than you turn the dive

Intro- 1/6th, no deco and no jumps. Anything more aggressive is breaking "Da Rulez"

There's plenty to see if you take your time and look around instead of following a line as far as you can on 1/6th. Another tip is to dive a shallower cave. This lengthens the time you will be able to penetrate. You'll find that when you're relaxed and comfy your gas will last longer and you will enjoy the dive so much more.

[sam]

Intro- 1/6th, no deco and no jumps. Anything more aggressive is breaking "Da Rulez"

There's plenty to see if you take your time and look around instead of following a line as far as you can on 1/6th. Another tip is to dive a shallower cave. This lengthens the time you will be able to penetrate. You'll find that when you're relaxed and comfy your gas will last longer and you will enjoy the dive so much more.

Well said. I can spend an entire dive in the first 4-600' of most systems and have plenty of bottom time, and have more fun. Looking back I wish I would have spent more time enjoying the dive as an intro. The cave will be there for a very long time and there is no need to rush anything. Enjoy the time you have.

[Johnny Bailey]

Great thread. Lots of information to think about. Although there is some different thoughts on "the rules", comfort level plays a part. In the late 70's, when some of us were students at Valdosta State College, we made many dives at the nearby Madison Blue Springs. It was common practice to dive the main line with single tank. We would dive to "thirds". We had a motorcycle battery primary, along with two back-ups. We felt safe in our dives. Another common dive was Peacock to pothole with a single tank. Many people did it.

Now? No way. I don't have the testosterone fueled dive agenda I had back then. And now, being married and with an 8-year-old son, I'm ultra-conservative, but still have a helluva time enjoying the beauty of the caves.

[Sludge]

The cave will be there for a very long time and there is no need to rush anything.

A truer sentence cannot be spoken.

I see brand-new cave divers with scooters, apprentice divers with stages, things that would make my instructor pop a knot on my head. The above sentence should become the cave diver's mantra.